This might be one of the dumbest claims I've read on this forum. I take you have never met a teenager? Rebellious behaviour is literally a developmental phase that all juvenile humans go through.
Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread
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Tell me you are not now nor have you ever been a teacher without telling me you are not now nor have you ever been a teacher.
I’ve been teaching for 35 years and counting. You…have not.
We are all on the internet. We are all now teachers of the world through our posts.
I work as senior lecturer in university, and as a deputy head of one of the teaching departments, so I have an idea or two about students and lecturers, docents and professors (more about my colleagues, really)... The question is what kind of future we'll have in the series—Roddenberry's vision or one created by people who appeal to a new generation that doesn't care much about duty and honor to the degree of... well, dying for it like Sato did fresh from Academy or Riker did when he was defending his captain. In TNG series, we see the Starfleet Academy, and in the novels, we learn that respect is a fundamental value among students and teachers. You may disagree, but you have to respect the institution you're trying to join and teach about because it unites all and it supposed to represent the best of humanity as a concept. I don't see the Starfleet Academy as an institution just as a high school with unruly students, and although the post-disco timeline seems to demand a society that's centuries late and so to speak different, I still hope to see some decency from the students towards their teachers first. Teachers at the Academy aren't paid, are they? (Or have we moved to a fully money-driven world?) They dedicate themselves to molding Starfleet cadets, often giving years of their lives to the task. It's a calling, a passion. I still believe the original goal was personal growth. Being better meant being kind, respectful, brave, knowledgeable, professional, passionate, and competitive. These qualities were meant to help achieve personal goals that would ultimately benefit society as a whole. I would hope I would see that in the SFA at some point.
I fully expect it but it isn't a first thing. I might have respect for the institution or the title but not the person. I have definitely had instructors that I struggled to respect and was told I had to anyway by parents.
That doesn't mean respect should be assumed. Respect can look different from culture to culture and those factors must be considered otherwise they are rather meaningless.
"Youth are not called callow for no reason."
~Patrick F. McManus.
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I tend to think SFA will be more like West Point than an American high school.
Not with the writing staff/room they currently have.
Gaia Violo
Noga Landau & Jane Maggs
Alex Taub & Kiley Rossetter
Gaia Violo & Eric Anthony Glover
Kirsten Beyer & Tawny Newsome
Kenneth Lin & Kiley Rossetter
Alex Taub & Eric Anthony Glover
Gaia Violo & Jane Maggs
Kirsten Beyer, from a story by Beyer & Kenneth Lin
Alex Kurtzman & Kirsten Beyer, from a story by Noga Landau & Gaia Violo.
Obviously we know something of Beyer, Newsome and Kurtzman.
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I think the show will basically fell more like Discovery than SNW. Starfleet will be treated like the Patriarchy. Something treated as old fashioned and obsolete with it's rigid military structure and pragmatic thinking it resorted to after the Burn.
These kids though will be example of how Starfleet should function. People coming together and smiling and constantly telling each other how awesome they are and sticking with ones principles even if it is not the pragmatic thing to do. The older teachers will learn from the kids that they are right and they were wrong except with the one old timer who kind of new it all the time and is glad these kids will make for a better Starfleet than the one he/she has been in. The old guard are wrong and need to listen more to the kids and get with the new way of thinking about things.
I mean they have said the show was created to try and bring in new and younger fans and nothing younger people like more than having their shows represent their kind of thinking. Granted old folks are not to different. We love seeing youngsters get schooled by the old wise person and be educated on how things are suppose to be. The only difference being is us old folks ARE usually right. Youngsters do need to listen to us and stop with the Tik Toks and other young people things. Learn to respect your elders young folks.
These kids though will be example of how Starfleet should function. People coming together and smiling and constantly telling each other how awesome they are and sticking with ones principles even if it is not the pragmatic thing to do. The older teachers will learn from the kids that they are right and they were wrong except with the one old timer who kind of new it all the time and is glad these kids will make for a better Starfleet than the one he/she has been in. The old guard are wrong and need to listen more to the kids and get with the new way of thinking about things.
I mean they have said the show was created to try and bring in new and younger fans and nothing younger people like more than having their shows represent their kind of thinking. Granted old folks are not to different. We love seeing youngsters get schooled by the old wise person and be educated on how things are suppose to be. The only difference being is us old folks ARE usually right. Youngsters do need to listen to us and stop with the Tik Toks and other young people things. Learn to respect your elders young folks.
Anyone likely to have adventures adventurous enough for us to follow, will not graduate by conventional means.
In fact anyone that is about to wash out is likely to be approached by the Orions with an answer key to the next three exams, meanwhile the actual washouts join terrorist cells, only to roll back into the story 2 seasons later as the big bad.
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It's hard to tell from the teaser, but aside from a handful of scenes showing some canoodling of two characters, we don't really see much young people drama to speak of. They certainly don't seem like they're going to use hot young people boning and fighting as the draw here. Indeed, it seems marketed as a pretty typical Trek series with a weird side of patriotism.
Interesting how many people are reading the first sentence but ignoring the rest of the paragraph.
People's text comprehension is severely lacking.
To reiterate: Societal expectations regarding respect
Contemporary West
VS
Traditional West and other parts of the world
Does anyone here think that disrespecting teachers would fly in Japan, South Korea, or China?
Cite studies where it says such disrespect doesn’t happen over there
U.S.-Japanese discipline differences delineated
How Japan's Education System Fosters Discipline & Teamwork
Discover how the education system of Japan fosters discipline and Teamwork. Read about teamwork, the role of classroom management, and collaborative learning
Not a study piece…
That was not what was postulated. Only that disrespecting teachers never happens. Except it does.
And the idea that respect must be given without any sort of mutual respect back is counterproductive. To earn respect model respect rather than assume being older makes you better.
Where did I that? Stop putting words in my mouth. I always talked about societal expectations.
There are no qualifiers to the below statement. It is stated as a fact. You are quite correct that different societies have different expectations and I would grant that a large interstellar organization would not confirm to just Earth expectations. See also Wesley's exam and determining an officer's species an a appropriate response to apparent rudeness.
No, it isn't. "Not normal" doesn't mean it doesn't happen. My post was about societal norms, what different societies think is normal behavior.
Yes there are. The rest of the paragraph.
What is the "start date" for "postmodern" in this context? Because I think disrespecting teachers goes back to antiquity.
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