Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Teaser Trailer

[arch101]

What’s the thought on making Rey a Skywalker essentially by adoption? Kylo tells her she’s a nobody in TLJ. What if during another confrontation she declares herself a Skywalker—-Luke’s heir and the one tasked with rebuilding the Jedi instead of Kylo who is actually a Skywalker by blood. It keeps the “everyone is special” theme of TLJ while maintaining Skywalker’s status.

Much like Julius Cesar adopting his nephew Octavian, who became known as Augustus Caesar.

 

[Tosk]

It's Ackbar. Not Akbar. FFS, for people who are arguing about the importance of a minor character (yes, minor... ONLY 20 lines over three movies... 12 in ROTJ, 4 in TFA and 4 in TLJ), learn how to spell the name.

If he's so minor, why does it matter how to spell his name?

 

[Campe]

If he's so minor, why does it matter how to spell his name?

Because... because... um... REASONS!

Fair point, but if people are suggesting he's so important, shouldn't they know how to spell his name?

 

[ScottJ85]

It's Ackbar. Not Akbar. FFS, for people who are arguing about the importance of a minor character (yes, minor... ONLY 20 lines over three movies... 12 in ROTJ, 4 in TFA and 4 in TLJ), learn how to spell the name.

Dude had like 30 seconds of screen time, and I only ever knew him as the "IT'S A TRAP!" guy.

 

[Campe]

Dude had like 30 seconds of screen time, and I only ever knew him as the "IT'S A TRAP!" guy.

I always found Leia's "it's a trap" from Empire more memorable anyway. I don't know but the way she stuck her head around the corner made me chuckle and gasp in the same breath.

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[fireproof78]

Ah... no. Totally disagree. It was horrible seeing Han fall to his death and as for Luke - poor bastard.

Yes, how dare Luke become more powerful and one with the Force...how awful?

Could you not say the same of Rey, Poe, and Finn, that we expect them to come through, at least until the next round of films come out? And if I was Ridley, Boyeg, and Isaacs I would shudder to think what Lucasfilm has in store for them once their characters reach middle-age.

That's a lot of negativity assumed here. I don't get it.

There is nothing wrong with some realism in Star Wars, to better connect the audience with the characters and have us be more accepting of the fantastical aspects of the universe, but Star Wars is a fantasy, so I have no problem with the characters having a happy ending, especially because they've deserved it. I also don't have a problem with them not having a happy ending, it's just a matter of approach. I think the sequels went out of their way to make the OT heroes failures, and it's my suspicion this was done to dull their shine and prop up the new heroes.

This is where I completely disagree. One, the OT characters had their happy ending in ROTJ. From my reading of this, it seems like people would prefer if that had been the end of it. The trouble is that not even Lucas envisioned a perfect or happy ending for these characters and that the challenges would have continued on.

I think there is a lot of emotional attachment to these characters, and a lot of assumption presented here, that I don't agree with. No, I don't think the ST made the characters failures just 'cause we want to make the heroes look good. If so, then it failed for me, because both Luke and Han stood out as heroic in their final stands, while the new heroes are still finding their place.

With Han, even though I didn't like how it was done, I can see his character arriving at that fate (especially pre-Solo), but Luke, I find it hard to buy that Hermit Luke is an organic progression from ROTJ Luke. All the OT characters failed-sometimes major-in the older films-but they weren't as broken by it, and that was a good message for the audience-especially the kids of that time. But what's the message today with the new films? That it all amounts to crap anyway? And that a new, bright shiny generation will just rise up only to become meat for the grinder (to borrow from Starship Troopers)? So, in a sense, the OT characters became arrested or regressed in the sequels and yes I would've liked to have seen Disney-Lucasfilm do more with them, give them better endings, if for no reason what these characters meant to Hollywood and pop culture. (Or at the very least, be on screen at the same time. Some of the best scenes in the sequels were the reunions of Carrie Fisher with Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill).

Again, a lot of negative assumption, especially when we don't have the end of the story yet. Perhaps wait for that until judging it that it all 'amounts to crap" anyway.

By this logic we should deem WW2 vets as failures because the world still has wars.

I always found Leia's "it's a trap" from Empire more memorable anyway. I don't know but the way she stuck her head around the corner made me chuckle and gasp in the same breath.

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Fun fact: Boba Fett actor Jeremy Bulloch played the Imperial officer trying to pull her along.

 

[valkyrie013]

For the 3rd trilogy, my biggest niggle is.. There's no 1 person overlooking the big picture!
Its like okay, we have 3 movies, can we write what is going to happen, in broad strokes, a begining, a middle, and an end.. nope.. lets just make one, get another director/writer for 2, and hope 3 can wrap up this noodle of threads mess.. That is my big thing, this trilogy should have been planned out, written before hand, not what it seems to be a hash job.. ugh..

Hope the fact that Rian, and those Game of musical chairs fellows will be writing the other trilogies in total not just one..

 

[USS Firefly]

For the 3rd trilogy, my biggest niggle is.. There's no 1 person overlooking the big picture!

I have the same opinion, It doesn't even feel like a trilogy, and I can't imagine that EP 9 will change that.
I just have to wait a year for that to answer

 

[Campe]

The thing about it is: Only the prequels really had a plan when they set out to do them. And even that was fairly loose. GL's plan was beyond that level of looseness when he started production on Ep 4. And it shows. Again, love the OT. But come on. He had some ideas but most of it was being made up as he went along. Hence, Luke and Leia as siblings. Hence, Vader being their father. Need I go on?

 

[fireproof78]

The thing about it is: Only the prequels really had a plan when they set out to do them. And even that was fairly loose. GL's plan was beyond that level of looseness when he started production on Ep 4. And it shows. Again, love the OT. But come on. He had some ideas but most of it was being made up as he went along. Hence, Luke and Leia as siblings. Hence, Vader being their father. Need I go on?

Lucas' looseness got so bad that he was constantly shifting the order of the edit on AOTC. Even John Williams filed a complaint.

It's not as ordered as people like to believe it is.

 

[Refuge]

Yes, how dare Luke become more powerful and one with the Force...how awful?

I respect your opinion, fireproof78 in that you see a payoff here. I just reacted differently as I have been 'emotionally' invested in this particular character. So when you, when *I* see that character grumpy and bitter and then die, I felt it. I didn't like what I felt either. I don't care about the other characters as much because I didn't go along on the same ride with them. It started with Star Wars, the prequels order does not change that. It was Luke who kicked this off in my opinion and knowing that a Jedi dies and becomes more powerful or whatever feels different in Luke's incarnation than say Obi-Wan who I first saw in human/corporal form ever so briefly.

It's the changing of the guard. No one wants old farts around and Obi-Wan made way for the younger generation of their day and Luke had to die to enable a new crew. I get that. However I still hated his fate. His existence and life story in the end. His isolation. His stupid actual death.

 

[fireproof78]

It's the changing of the guard. No one wants old farts around and Obi-Wan made way for the younger generation of their day and Luke had to die to enable a new crew. I get that. However I still hated his fate. His existence and life story in the end. His isolation. His stupid actual death.

You can hate it all you want. I hated what he became.

I just understood and think it reveals the potential for life beyond just being alive in the physical sense.

 

[Ithekro]

The thing is, Luke didn't die grumpy and bitter. He died at peace with himself and the universe. He let go. I probably could have kept going and all that, but, like his mentors, he will become far more powerful than you ever imagined.

 

[fireproof78]

The thing is, Luke didn't die grumpy and bitter. He died at peace with himself and the universe. He let go. I probably could have kept going and all that, but, like his mentors, he will become far more powerful than you ever imagined.

Precisely so. It isn't what he was at the beginning of the film that inspired me, even if I understood it, and empathized with it. It was what he did and became at the end that made me fully on board.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Luke ultimately saves the Jedi and the next generation won’t repeat the same mistakes of the past because of him.

Heeded my words not, did you? "Pass on what you have learned." Strength, mastery, hmm... but weakness, folly, failure, also. Yes, failure, most of all. The greatest teacher, failure is. Luke, we are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters.

This is Luke’s legacy, a Jedi Order who will be better and influenced by him and his teachings. Not bad for a farmboy from Tatooine.

 

[Jayson1]

Dude had like 30 seconds of screen time, and I only ever knew him as the "IT'S A TRAP!" guy.

Ackbar was never that important but he was I say more accepted than you will get with a new character that nobody has invested in time in with Hodo. That is why we should have either had Leia doing that stuff or Lando. Even saying Maz is know part of the Restiance would be better since she was established I think made memorable in "The Force Awakens."

Jason

 

[ScottJ85]

Not sure I agree. It was all part of Poe’s arc for this film, learning to trust leadership, in preparation for becoming a leader himself. If it were anyone other than Holdo piloting the cruiser, it would severely undermine that.

Unless you’re saying Ackbar should have taken the place of Holdo the entire movie, which would have been interesting to say the least.

 

[fireproof78]

Let me go out on a limb here-if Ackbar were in place of Holdo then there would be accusations of small universe syndrome, poorly written and undermining the character. Either way, complaints. I thought we were trying to avoid small universe syndrome?

 

[Awesome Possum]

Ackbar yelling at Poe like he’s in Full Metal Jacket would be amazing.

 

[Campe]

I honestly wouldn’t have minded if Ackbar had the role Holdo did. But it didn’t happen. And we move on.

Right?

RIGHT?!?