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Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion

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So Rian mentioned in the commentary that he smashed the helmet himself. During his first try it broke into a few large pieces. Then he smashed it some more.

Now we are to believe Kylo liked his helmet so much that he went back to that elevator on a ship that was split in half and got all the little pieces and saved them?
 
Skywalkers are notoriously pedantic and weird, so yeah, I can buy that he pieced together his own broken helmet and repaired it. If the helmet was a symbol of what he felt gave him identity after he left his family and disavowed the light in favor of becoming Snoke's apprentice then I can see why he'd be so attached to it. It represented the new him that emerged from the pain he felt at being Ben Solo.

It was part of what made him Kylo Ren, somebody who was (allegedly) the master of his own emotions and destiny and a Dark Side wielder who was going to finally bring order to the galaxy. His personal identification marker.
 
You are right that we don't get why Finn broke from the First Order. Why did his conditioning break at just that moment? It can now be explained or retconned away as The Force was guiding him, but we should've gotten more answers much earlier in the sequels, and beyond just that some soldiers need reconditioning. And we don't see Finn spending much time wondering about any of that. He's fully into running away when he's not fixated on Rey. The sequels missed a great opportunity to have Finn be the audience surrogate not into the Resistance (Dameron could've done that) but into the First Order. We also don't see Finn going on his own search for identity. He just wants to run, but why not try to find his family? Not sure how young he was when he was taken but I wonder if he was old enough to remember any of them, or where he was taken from. Or if he would try to find out. But those things didn't matter to Disney ultimately, because Finn doesn't really matter. Despite the charm and energy that Boyega poured into his performance, Finn wasn't meant to be much or do much. And when I look at how poorly developed the other sequel heroes were, though they were generally afforded more dignity than Finn was (especially in Episode 7 and parts of Episode 8), .

Oh spot on! I felt this about Finn since TLJ. He's potentially the most interesting of the new characters, but he's just pissed away. Many more interesting stores could have been told about these people if they - and this is key - actually bothered to plan this trilogy.

Really, this is the first Star Wars movie ever that I have ZERO interest in seeing in the theater a second time. Well done, Dis.
 
Oh spot on! I felt this about Finn since TLJ. He's potentially the most interesting of the new characters, but he's just pissed away. Many more interesting stores could have been told about these people if they - and this is key - actually bothered to plan this trilogy.

Really, this is the first Star Wars movie ever that I have ZERO interest in seeing in the theater a second time. Well done, Dis.

One of the biggest problems with The Last Jedi is that Rian Johnson made Rey, Finn and Poe all less interesting characters. JJ didn't seem to do him much good in The Rise of Skywalker, with him yelling "REYYYYYY!!!!" and worrying about her constantly. His storyline with Jannah, delving into their mutual First Order past was definitely the most interesting aspect of his character in ROTS.
 
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Yes. Because he is insecurely attached.

Makes perfect sense from a psychological point of view.

He probably went back to pick it up immediately after the scene, before he flew off to attack the Resistance cruiser. He felt bad about leaving such a mess. Or maybe Snoke told him there'd be no flying until he cleaned up after himself.
 
And she looks just fine in that sequence. Certainly no worse than her Rogue One appearance and that one was actually pretty eerie and uncanny, arguably closer to the real Carrie than the CGI Tarkin was to the late Peter Cushing.
 
Rian deliberately hung on the shot of him leaving it there
First, it was a joke. Second, we see Kylo storm off and the mask is sitting there. Next time we see Kylo he's flying his tie fighter. Anything could have happened in between.

Alternatively, everyone in the First Order knows he has an unpredictable temper. Perhaps the unspoken rule is: if Kylo Ren smashes something, keep it -- because you know he'll want it back later.
 
sure that could have happened.. but that is definitely not the message the scene is meant to convey.. it's only retconning for the sake of it. The filmmaker is sending messages with every shot in the film they put in, and even MORE messages with every two shots put together (Kuleshov Effect) and so inserting the retcon only destroys whatever vision is established for us on screen.
 
sure that could have happened.. but that is definitely not the message the scene is meant to convey.. it's only retconning for the sake of it. The filmmaker is sending messages with every shot in the film they put in, and even MORE messages with every two shots put together (Kuleshov Effect) and so inserting the retcon only destroys whatever vision is established for us on screen.
Since I don't agree that the shot is meant to convey that I don't see the issue.
 
Why does Kylo / Ben, who is one of the most powerful force users in the galaxy and can pull a troop carrier out of the air, get the shit beaten out of him routinely? (this is the second movie where that happens)

Because he was conflicted.
 
And she looks just fine in that sequence. Certainly no worse than her Rogue One appearance and that one was actually pretty eerie and uncanny, arguably closer to the real Carrie than the CGI Tarkin was to the late Peter Cushing.
Did Billie Lourd play her in Rogue One also?
I found the TROS version to be very similar to it. Face seems a bit too young and slim. It's not a big thing but I did feel they looked younger than they did in ROTJ.
 
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