Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion

[The Spectre]

Oh hey, more people getting their info from YouTube videos. My absolutely favoritest favorite thing!

You can find those box office stats on any of the tracking websites and professional trades that reported the weekend data. It all checks out.

people tried to put Doomcock in the same catego-- WAIT.. I believe every single leak he spoke about actually came true in the film.

But go on drink your Kool aid

The leaks reported on Midnight's Edge did indeed turn out to be true.

There's no denying that now. Including the early reports that this film would be a messy editing nightmare; a sentiment that professional critics are forced to acknowledge.

It shows audiences will show up for something primarily white and male. I've found most of the recent Marvel stuff pretty unwatchable. Bland, safe material that doesn't upset anyone.

Yet incredibly successful with critics, audiences and fans. No 'toxic' divisiveness, with the exception of Captain Marvel.

That being said, plenty left Infinity War 'upset,' but in a good way. That film had one of the riskiest third acts in a tentpole genre film in a while, and it worked.

 

[Kor]

In the EU, the Emperor was also able to use "The Force" to create these huge rips in the fabric of space that could destroy ships and planets and act as wormholes and transport matter somewhere else.

Kor

 

[fireproof78]

In the EU, the Emperor was also able to use "The Force" to create these huge rips in the fabric of space that could destroy ships and planets and act as wormholes and transport matter somewhere else.

Kor

Yup.

 

[Awesome Possum]

You can find those box office stats on any of the tracking websites and professional trades that reported the weekend data. It all checks out.



The leaks reported on Midnight's Edge did indeed turn out to be true.

There's no denying that now. Including the early reports that this film would be a messy editing nightmare; a sentiment that professional critics are forced to acknowledge.




Yet incredibly successful with critics, audiences and fans. No 'toxic' divisiveness, with the exception of Captain Marvel.

That being said, plenty left Infinity War 'upset,' but in a good way. That film had one of the riskiest third acts in a tentpole genre film in a while, and it worked.

Captain Marvel was only "divisive" in the minds of insane sexist weirdos using YouTube videos about other YouTube videos as a source and no everyone else. In reality it was a successful film and another hit for Marvel.

 

[HugeLobes]

Yet incredibly successful with critics, audiences and fans. No 'toxic' divisiveness, with the exception of Captain Marvel.

Movies can be divisive in a good way. You can't really touch on social issues without being at least a little divisive. However, that doesn't mean toxicity comes from the movie - it usually comes from the response.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Movies can be divisive in a good way. You can't really touch on social issues without being at least a little divisive. However, that doesn't mean toxicity comes from the movie - it usually comes from the response.

Being a woman is a "social issue"?

 

[HugeLobes]

Being a woman is a "social issue"?

Of course not, and having a woman as a main character doesn't necessarily a movie is touching on them. But Captain Marvel very clearly dealt with feminist issues and addressed its main character's gender as an issue within the story. You get that explicitly in the everyday sexism she encounters, such as not being able to fly combat missions, but also on deeper levels with the idea of a man tricking her into believing she can't control her power. It's a movie that is influenced by and responding to gender issues, and that's one reason why a lot of woman I know really responded to it.

That kind of movie is going to be divisive because these are (unfortunately) still divisive issues. As I said, that's a good thing, or at least it is in the case of Captain Marvel.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

I have seen some of those videos. The problem with Captain Marvel was not with her being a woman, but with how she was written.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Of course not, and having a woman as a main character doesn't necessarily a movie is touching on them. But Captain Marvel very clearly dealt with feminist issues and addressed its main character's gender as an issue within the story. You get that explicitly in the everyday sexism she encounters, such as not being able to fly combat missions, but also on deeper levels with the idea of a man tricking her into believing she can't control her power. It's a movie that is influenced by and responding to gender issues, and that's one reason why a lot of woman I know really responded to it.

That kind of movie is going to be divisive because these are (unfortunately) still divisive issues. As I said, that's a good thing, or at least it is in the case of Captain Marvel.

It's rather tragic that it is.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

I am fine with Lando bringing in the cavalry. I believe the galaxy was in a state of shock after the destruction of the Hosnian system. It took time for the people to get out of their shock and start reacting to the situation. The destruction of Kijimi probably decided the matter, on which side they stood, and knowing the Sith fleet was vulnerable to attack and that this nightmare could end was more than enough motivation for many of the crews and pilots.

I saw the film a second time, and this issue was more noticeable to me. It feels for me that when I am watching Leia, I am seeing an actor wearing a mask playing a role.

 

[ScottJ85]

oh well. I just read it and re-read it.. and he didn't say that.. he didn't imply it.. you set up a strawman. It's just you feeling a bit insecure about an opinion that didn't fit with what you believe. Please quote the part where he says that white men are the most powerful form of humanity etc?

Some day, someone should introduce you to the concept of dogwhistling.

 

[The Spectre]

Captain Marvel was only "divisive" in the minds of insane sexist weirdos using YouTube videos about other YouTube videos as a source and no everyone else. In reality it was a successful film and another hit for Marvel.

I recall similar rhetoric being said about "The Last Jedi" and similar excuses made.

Yet.. here we are. Despite the box office returns for TLJ, "The Rise of Skywalker" essentially acknowledges that TLJ was largely divisive and tries to retcon it. Even the mainstream trades now acknowledge the divisiveness from TLJ.

It's a valuable lesson to fans who tried to downplay the TLJ criticism and blame it on one specific group. Such generalizations shouldn't be made.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I recall similar rhetoric being said about "The Last Jedi" and similar excuses made.

Yet.. here we are. Despite the box office returns for TLJ, "The Rise of Skywalker" essentially acknowledges that TLJ was largely divisive and tries to retcon it. Even the mainstream trades now acknowledge the divisiveness from TLJ.

It's a valuable lesson to fans who tried to downplay the TLJ criticism and blame it on one specific group. Such generalizations shouldn't be made.

I don’t think that happened, but whatever you have to do to convince that you were right to throw a tantrum over a movie.

 

[HugeLobes]

So far TLJ is more successful than ROS, so catering to certain fans failed.

You don’t think perhaps people aren’t seeing it because TLJ turned them off.

It's a valuable lesson to fans who tried to downplay the TLJ criticism and blame it on one specific group. Such generalizations shouldn't be made.

They are very different movies, but I agree with this. Yes, TLJ got some toxic feedback, but most people who didn’t like it didn’t form that opinion because they were racist or sexist. There was a lot of downplaying TLJ criticism on this forum. Negative reactions were frequently put down to misogyny and subverted expectations and such. Felt like lots of people didn’t want to hear that maybe some viewers didn’t like the movie because it wasn’t a great movie.

 

[Awesome Possum]

We also had a lot of sexism and racism regarding TLJ on this forum and in this very thread.

 

[HugeLobes]

We also had a lot of sexism and racism regarding TLJ on this forum and in this very thread.

We did. We do. It was definitely a factor, but it wasn’t the only factor.

 

[Awesome Possum]

We did. We do. It was definitely a factor, but it wasn’t the only factor.

It’s not the only reason, but it’s a significant one and has largely driven any discussion, driving away those who weren’t sexist and racist. The ones still obsessing over it are almost all the hateful idiots who make Star Wars fans look bad.

 

[HugeLobes]

It’s not the only reason, but it’s a significant one and has largely driven any discussion and driving away those who weren’t sexist and racist. The ones still obsessing over it are almost all the hateful idiots who make Star Wars fans look bad.

Significant, yes. But also severely overstated by this forum in the past. A vocal minority focused on it as ‘SJW propaganda’ or whatever, and I think a lot of diehard fans kinda latched onto that as a convenient way to explain away negative opinions of TLJ. As I said repeatedly at the time, most people who didn’t like TLJ weren’t rabid misogynists. They just thought it was a crap or forgettable movie.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The leaks reported on Midnight's Edge did indeed turn out to be true.

Midnight's Edgelord was not the source of the leaks. He got them off of Reddit.

 

[KennyB]

Midnight's Edgelord was not the source of the leaks. He got them off of Reddit.

Yup I believe Jedi Praxis was the original source months ago.............everyone else just jumped on.