I enjoyed this and the 2 other ST movies, but can't help but feel that it was a golden opportunity lost, especially with the original cast. Say what you want about the MCU movies and how formulaic they may be, but you have to hand it to Kevin Feige for how he successful he's been with orchestrating all the pieces thus far. There are more than a few questions for Kathleen Kennedy.
Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion
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This is the kind of shit I am vehemently against. Hate the movie all you want (for me, I enjoyed it despite my criticisms), but what this individual is doing is simply pathetic gatekeeping.
It started out just as bad or close to it. The dude is a major league asshole even we'd cringe at for being such a troll.
The dolt has a grand total of 15 followers. Why bother linking to the garbage and giving him any acknowledgement? I can't comprehend why anyone would seek this shit out and share it.
No, just no on pretty much all counts.
And the tired ranting against Kennedy is incredibly tired.
And diversity is important and Star Wars needed more of it. It's a tragedy that it has to be defended.
Star Wars fandom makes the idiots (like Midnight's Edge) in Star Trek fandom pale in comparison. It definitely seems like there are a lot more conservative close-minded Star Wars fans than there are conservative close-minded Star Trek fans. I guess that makes sense considering Star Trek's ideal future is a social democratic utopia.
Everyone forgets that Disney had to approve each and every choice she made. They own the IP.
Star Wars and Star Trek are creatures of a bygone era where white males ruled the roost in totality, and women and minorities got mostly scraps.
I imagine that is just a by-product of there being a lot more Star Wars fans vs. Star Trek fans.
Nah. I've seen both.
Finn was still eating those scraps out in the shed. The one opportunity to have a black male character actually mean something to the greater sequel trilogy story, but more importantly, as a representation of the unique perspective/place he should have held in that story, and how it could have been tied into his former life / why he was the right person to destroy it was never even a consideration. Typical of white liberal Hollywood, he was there for "points" while the producers repeatedly put on their most proud PR face, telling the world of how "diverse" and changing the way Star Wars was presented to new generations...
...except with the lead black male. He was a shameful, tokenized buffoon, underserved, and no one--many black audience members more than most--will never forget that Finn was a damn sanitation worker (who happened to be a Stormtrooper) instead of being an experienced hammer of the FO who--through his eyes--audiences could feel the pain of the oppressed (as he had seen/done too much and was once one of the victims), as he should have been. Well, he was oppressed...by the producers.
There was no reason to make him a damned sanitation worker. It did not serve the story at all, as it would have if he served in a position that actually provided a major benefit for the mission he was undertaking. And no one truly aware of history will ever buy excuses such as his job was either "comic relief" or the director/writers/producers all being innocently unaware of that cultural anvil dropped on a black character's head. Finn was catapulted back to the era of the worst of Hollywood's stereotypical portrayals of black people--males in particular--right in line with Eddie "Rochester" Anderson, Dudley Dickerson, et al.
He had not an ounce of dignity because--as pointed out before--he was not meant to have dignity, self-awareness, or a growing control/expression of his unique identity and how it should have played a major role in affairs.
Really? Politics?? Sorry but you can be a raycist bigot homophobe on either and all sides ... Lest we forget ( and probably have) the kkk was of democratic party..
So sick of all this low ball blame some political spectrum or color crap.
So sick of all this low ball blame some political spectrum or color crap.
I'd argue that they went some way to fixing Finns role in TROS. Not only was he not portrayed as a buffoon in this movie but his back story was expanded on a little - it was still not enough for me personally to be satisfied with the character's arc, but I'd say he was portrayed way better here than in the previous two entries.
Can anyone else imagine Kylo being kinda annoyed about that?
‘Goddamit, Rey! That scar made me look like such a badass!’
Maybe I’m just influenced too much by the Emo Kylo Ren Twitter page.
I have seen the film a third time. One of my questions is, what happen to the Tantive IV? The last we see of this ship it is being struck by Sith lightning and is heading down to the surface of Exegol. It is not seen as the fleet departs and it is not seen landing. I believe we see Nien Nunb being at the controls of the ship. He is not seen in the celebration on the jungle world. So, if the Tantive IV did not recover with Nien Numb at the controls, this would be one more legacy character who died.
Random thought that only just occurred to me while digesting a second viewing...how the flying Hutt balls did Kylo get from the Endor system to creep Sith central type place in the third act? I mean Rey jacked his ride and took with her the only Mcguffirtron wotsit since Kylo smushed the other one.
Yeah, you see a TIE parked next to Red 5 (which is itself a whole other can of WTF) but are we meant to think he salvaged a fully working TIE from the wreck of the Death Star? Great! Ingenious! But those don't have hyperdrives.
Could it have been and FO TIE which do apparently have hyperdrives (mentally groans while recalling the "lightskipping" scene) that he got from the deserter's camp which 1) was probably *miles* and away 2) half stripped for parts like the cruiser and 3) didn't look like the right colour so it was probably an old RotJ TIE.
Could have been simply avoided if they swapped it out for one of Vader's Tie Advanced, contrived though it may have been. But then you still have the aforementioned lack of a navigational aid which the movies spends *a lot* of time emphasising how indispensable it is.
Speaking of the Sith Mcguffirtron wotsit thingamagigger: I must be slow since I only just now made the connection as wo where there were two and only two: One for the master and one for the apprentice. And sure enough the opening scene apparently takes place on Mustafar where Vader kept all his stuff (though I still think that could have been made more obvious with a cool establishing show of Kylo actually storming Castle Vader instead of stabbing blokes in the midst of a forest fire (also a forest on Mustafar?! Weird.)
Oh and of course the second one was in Palpsy's magical tardis closet of mystical visions. I'm assuming Sidious actually opened the door for Rey, because otherwise it'd be a bit random for a secret door to just open on it's own like that...or I guess it has a DNA scanner lock or some such?
Yeah I know, I'm nitpicking again. Honestly, it's more like thinking out load at this point.
Yeah, you see a TIE parked next to Red 5 (which is itself a whole other can of WTF) but are we meant to think he salvaged a fully working TIE from the wreck of the Death Star? Great! Ingenious! But those don't have hyperdrives.
Could it have been and FO TIE which do apparently have hyperdrives (mentally groans while recalling the "lightskipping" scene) that he got from the deserter's camp which 1) was probably *miles* and away 2) half stripped for parts like the cruiser and 3) didn't look like the right colour so it was probably an old RotJ TIE.
Could have been simply avoided if they swapped it out for one of Vader's Tie Advanced, contrived though it may have been. But then you still have the aforementioned lack of a navigational aid which the movies spends *a lot* of time emphasising how indispensable it is.
Speaking of the Sith Mcguffirtron wotsit thingamagigger: I must be slow since I only just now made the connection as wo where there were two and only two: One for the master and one for the apprentice. And sure enough the opening scene apparently takes place on Mustafar where Vader kept all his stuff (though I still think that could have been made more obvious with a cool establishing show of Kylo actually storming Castle Vader instead of stabbing blokes in the midst of a forest fire (also a forest on Mustafar?! Weird.)
Oh and of course the second one was in Palpsy's magical tardis closet of mystical visions. I'm assuming Sidious actually opened the door for Rey, because otherwise it'd be a bit random for a secret door to just open on it's own like that...or I guess it has a DNA scanner lock or some such?
Yeah I know, I'm nitpicking again. Honestly, it's more like thinking out load at this point.
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Unless there’s some actual proof of a crash (the Wookiepedia entries for both the Tantive and Nien Nunb are no help), I think the fate of both can be whatever you want it to be.
Oliver Harper just posted a good spoiler free review on the film as well as the series.
Can't say I agree with his opinion about Rey. I thought Rey was interesting from the very beginning and the high point of this entire trilogy. Without Daisey Ridley, this trilogy would have been a lot worse.
Can't say I agree with his opinion about Rey. I thought Rey was interesting from the very beginning and the high point of this entire trilogy. Without Daisey Ridley, this trilogy would have been a lot worse.
