Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion

Discussion in 'Star Wars' started by Commander Richard, Dec 13, 2019.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    6.1%
  2. A

    12.1%
  3. A-

    15.2%
  4. B+

    11.1%
  5. B

    14.1%
  6. B-

    6.1%
  7. C+

    9.6%
  8. C

    7.1%
  9. C-

    5.1%
  10. D+

    2.5%
  11. D

    4.5%
  12. D-

    2.0%
  13. F

    4.5%
  1. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Admiral Admiral

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    I know that there is at least one Maul series from Dark Horse that is still canon because it was based on an unproduced Clone Wars arc.
     
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  2. Crewman6

    Crewman6 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Yawn.

    Do better next time.
     
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  3. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Admiral Admiral

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    Rogue One was... OK. Like the Thrawn trilogy, I find it to be just a tad over-rated.
     
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  4. Tosk

    Tosk Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I know. I was addressing Scott's assertion that "if it didn't happen in the movies, it didn't happen."
     
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  5. Reverend

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    Well that was a movie...with both stars and wars...
    I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it either.
    Some things made me audibly groan and literally roll my eyes...some things actually got to me.
    It's a very mixed bag of a movie. That kind that would probably have been better served if they pretty much just lopped off the first act, and did a little more "showing" and a hell of a lot less "telling".

    Random thoughts: -
    • Hey Wedge, glad you're here! Your adopted son just bought it! Yay!
    • Secret room next to a window on top of a tower...seems legit...
    • So the Sith operate on Highlander rules now? I mean, OK, I guess...it does make the whole "Rule of Two" thing make more sense if Sidious is really just Bane who's been body hopping for a millennia, but they never really go there.
    • Also: who were all those creepy robed dudes? Some weird cult? The bound spirits of all the ancient Sith?
    • Where the hell did the crews of those Star Destroyers come from?!
    • Again with the super-weapons? Can we not, just this once!?
    • For a movie so laden down with exposition; they *really* just want to skate on past the whole "what was the deal with Snoke" question, don't they?
    • Palpatine having a son feels like such an ass-pull it's not even funny.
    • Since when did the whole "force project" thing actually move physical object across space!? I thought even projecting an *image* was damn near impossible to do without killing oneself in the process.
    • Calling it right now: there's going to be some parody of that "Romeo & Juliet scene" (HISE or Robot Chicken, whomever gets there first) where they just keep bringing each other back to life and croaking over and over and over...
    • Chewie got a medal! Horray! Screw you George, Wookiees ARE materialistic after all!
    • Also: Chewies is dead!? Boo! Wait, not, it was a fake-out!? Boo!
    • So that whole shtick with 3PO's memory was just for the sake of a running gag? No return of his prequel memories? Of all the fanservicey moments in this movie, *that's* the one where you're going to show restraint?!
    • Not only do people magically regrow bodyparts (nobody tell Luke or Anakin that's a thing!) submerged X-wings also regrow missing wings!

    I know it's a lot of nitpicking, but I find if I'm nitpicking, it's typically because the story hasn't been told well enough, making the minor details stand out more. So that's a red flag right there.

    I know I've said this often, but I feel like "overrated" and "underrated" are pretty nonsense terms when it comes to anything as inherently subjective as entertainment. It's not like you can ever get an accurate metric of that, one way or the other.
     
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  6. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    It was an effective moment. I can be cynical an d say that JJ did that because of that moment in TFA when Rey and Chewie get back and Leia hugs Rey but walks past Chewie.. even JJ himself says he dropped the ball on that moment... and this moment you speak of was (technically speaking) his way of making up for it.. but I won't be .. because I agree with you.. it really worked. But it was similar to how they gave Chewie a metal at the end of the film - it stuck out as being to meta for me.. as everyone has been talking about how Chewie never got one. Both of these moments played into the meta, and only one worked in context ... at least for me.

    There was one moment that seemed unfinished. I had heard the horse girl was going to be Lando's daughter.. but they never say she was.. yet.. there was a bit where .. she and Lando have a scene that was good.. at least it started off good.. then Lando asks who she is, and she doens't know, and he says "let's find out" yet that is the last we hear of it. It was just kind of left there.. as if the editors forgot to.. cap that scene?

    ALSO, riding a horse on the top of a spaceship and shooting an arrow at another spacecraft was REALLY pushing it
     
  7. KennyB

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    Yup those 2 Chewie moments were 2 of my favorite moments Jonas is an amazing successor to Peter, he clearly benefited from working with Peter and learning the little details from him. Hope we somehow see more of Chewie.
     
  8. KennyB

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    The only thing that I really did not get, or missed explanation of is how they can ride space ponies and breathe on the outside of a Star Destroyer..........were the in low atmosphere? For me that was the "forget it he's rolling" moment from Animal House.
     
  9. .:: TSN ::.

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    No, I do think that that was the actual body that was recovered, or atleast part of it. There was only the head and badly burned hands visible. I don't think that the body even had any legs. You can see the robe flapping around when they lift him up with the crane. Until there is evidence to the contrary I will believe that that was the actual body of the Emperor.

    The Death Star pieces crashlanded relatively intact. Throne room still had a working door. I don't see why the acolytes might not have scraped some parts of the Emperor from the surviving reactor shaft walls and stitched them together.
     
  10. Mach5

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    :lol:

    Awesome.
     
  11. DarthTimon

    DarthTimon Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Palpatine exploded. He, himself exploded into blue smoke. Even if he didn't, the process of crashing from orbit would have exposed his body to a searing inferno.
     
  12. Reverend

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    I suppose one way to explain what the blue fire explosion even was is to say it's the Sith equivalent to when Jedi (or more broadly; certain non-dark side force users) disappear and become one with the force. Except the Sith *can't* become one with the cosmic force in a way that preserves their individuality, so the explosion was actually Palpatine wilfully disapparating?

    That is to say converting his physical body into an intangible cloud of particles, still anchored to the physical plain. A semi-corporeal state that allows him to retain his mind but in a diminished, wraith-like state. So that what we saw was the result of his (mostly unsuccessful) attempt to reform his old body, so he's left stuck in a kind of living death or limbo.
     
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  13. Captaindemotion

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    I’m too lazy to link it but apparently when JJ asked him about Palp’s status, Lucas was adamant that he died at the end of ROTJ & was supposed to stay that way.
     
  14. DigificWriter

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    Given that Lucas was directly consulted on the decision to bring back Palpatine in this film, I have a very hard time believing this statement.
     
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  15. Campe

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    Well, maybe he should have stayed dead. Not a great part of the movie.
     
  16. JRoss

    JRoss Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    The name Palpatine first appeared in the novelization of A New Hope, which was written by George Lucas. It's in the forward, on the very first page. It says that Emperor Palpatine grew weak and that evil arose from within. Seems like a different character from that brief description, but a lot of stuff was in flux at that point.

    Anyway, that book came out six months before A New Hope. That means that if anyone read it, pretty much the very first thing that they ever knew about Star Wars was that the Emperor's name was Palpatine.
     
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  17. Captaindemotion

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  18. Amasov

    Amasov Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Wasn't a fan.

    I don't understand the inconsistent usage of the Force. There are times where the Force is used to do one thing, but isn't used for another and where it isn't used, it could easily get them out of the situation they are in.
     
  19. Amasov

    Amasov Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Nevermind the fact that even though the Death Star exploded into pieces, the explosion, itself, ALONE should have easily incinerated him.
     
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  20. Mach5

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    I'll take this with a grain of salt. Lucas did not even attend the Hollywood premiere. The grand closure to a saga that's his life's work and he didn't even bother showing up.

    Here's an excerpt from Bob Iger's memoirs, The Ride of a LIfetime:

    Concerning Lucas' story treatments that Disney discarded:
    Concerning Lucas' reaction to The Force Awakens:
    I know all this is old news by now, but it does show that ultimately, none of this is Lucas' Star Wars, and since The Rise of Skywalker is basically one big chaotic retcon of the only exceptional (for better or worse) installment of this new trilogy, I'm not only inclined to believe that afforementioned statement, but I'm also fairly confident that at some point in the future GL is going to open up about his honest feelings about these movies, and it's not going to be a joyful read.
     
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