Star Wars:The Clone Wars S3......so far

[Admiral_Young]

^ Wow. You keep on bringing up the original trilogy. Han and Leia developed their relationship over a few years. Anakin and Padme reunited after not seeing each other for ten years, and then "falling in love" in just a few hours or weeks under even more ridiculous circumstances than Han and Leia. Not plausible. Once again using original trilogy characters to support your view point of the argument is not really seeing or understanding the point I'm trying to make so I guess we're going no where with this debate.

 

[DWF]

^ Wow. You keep on bringing up the original trilogy. Han and Leia developed their relationship over a few years. Anakin and Padme reunited after not seeing each other for ten years, and then "falling in love" in just a few hours or weeks under even more ridiculous circumstances than Han and Leia. Not plausible. Once again using original trilogy characters to support your view point of the argument is not really seeing or understanding the point I'm trying to make so I guess we're going no where with this debate.

There's little evidence that Han and Leia's relationship developed over years, it's in the novel of TESB that it's been three years since the first movie but that's not onscreen. And you're forgetting that Padme told Anakin in TPM that she wouldn't forget him in fact we have no idea how long Anakin remained on Naboo after TPM. She clearly had feelings for him. And until we learned that Luke was Leia's brother I'm sure plenty of people still thought he had a shot at her especially after she kissed him in TESB.

 

[Dac]

^ Wow. You keep on bringing up the original trilogy. Han and Leia developed their relationship over a few years. Anakin and Padme reunited after not seeing each other for ten years, and then "falling in love" in just a few hours or weeks under even more ridiculous circumstances than Han and Leia. Not plausible. Once again using original trilogy characters to support your view point of the argument is not really seeing or understanding the point I'm trying to make so I guess we're going no where with this debate.

There's little evidence that Han and Leia's relationship developed over years, it's in the novel of TESB that it's been three years since the first movie but that's not onscreen. And you're forgetting that Padme told Anakin in TPM that she wouldn't forget him in fact we have no idea how long Anakin remained on Naboo after TPM. She clearly had feelings for him. And until we learned that Luke was Leia's brother I'm sure plenty of people still thought he had a shot at her especially after she kissed him in TESB.

Except in AOTC its clearly stated he hasn't seen her for 10 years, and Padme's very first reaction is "you'll always be that little boy I knew on Tatooine", which as far as I can tell is about as far removed from a romantic connection as you can get.

In ESB, Han Solo is called "General" Solo, suggesting even if he was given that rank as gratis for helping destroy the Death Star, he's still been hanging around the rebels pretty much non stop as he still hadn't given Jabba his bounty. So there's plenty of "off screen" development time for those 2 to develop feelings for each other - even in ANH, that moment they shared in the cockpit of the Falcon is more than enough to go on.

Plus, there's the aforementioned facts of Pervy Anakin, Crazy Anakin and dumb as shit Padme, vs the almost universal image of a wannabe dashing, charming scoundrel Han Solo.

I don't think there's a woman in the world who would pick Anakin over Solo given a hypothetical choice - which makes the whole Anakin/Padme love story in the films all the more ridiculous as Lucas flat out intended Anakin and Padme to be the Han and Leia of the PT, yet somehow turned two relate able aspirational character types into stupid, selfish and downright absurd puppets in the grand idiot plot that was the PT.

 

[Whofan]

^Actually Han is referred to as Captain Solo, he doesn't become a general until ROTJ.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ Not after Return of the Jedi...during it. He's clearly called "General Solo" when Mon Mothma asks him who wants with his team. Leia turns to him surprised and slightly impressed by the promotion. Lando makes a point of pointing it out.

 

[DWF]

Ultimately what Padme going to do leave Anakin on Tattooine? After her speech about duty and responsibility. Palpatine insisted on her having a bodyguard and there were already two attempts on her life, it would be in her best interests to remain with Anakin. And in an even event what's goiong to do admonish him for killing the Tuskens, he's already torturing himself over his mother's death and this is Star Wars not 90210, it's bad enough that they agreed not to give in to their feelings then she changed her mind.

 

[Dac]

^Actually Han is referred to as Captain Solo, he doesn't become a general until ROTJ.

Gah, I didnt realize. Still, any rank is more than what he had in ANH.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ DWF again you're completely missing the point of my argument and obviously disagree with it (despite me very clearly explaining myself multiple times) so I guess we're not gonna come to an understanding here. Time to move on to other topics.

 

[Whofan]

Han refers to himself as "Captain of the Millenium Falcon" in ANH, it's not quite clear in ESB if he's any official rank within the alliance.

Han I think gets promoted (as well as Lando) upon their return to the fleet.


I wonder what rank Luke holds in ROTJ? He's not referred to anything other than "Jedi Knight". I know in ESB he's a commander, and the novels have him in the military for a while until he decides to focus more on the Jedi stuff.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ It's unclear at best what rank Luke has in ROTJ. It's very possible that he requested a leave of absence to complete his Jedi training. As mentioned he has the rank of Commander in Empire Strikes Back. One could reasonably assume that he retains that rank in Return of the Jedi. I don't remember a scene where he's addressed as Commander Skywalker in ROTJ.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The real problem with the relationship is that Hayden Christensen came off as a stalker creep. I don't care how tall, blond and good looking a guy is, ANY woman will have enough stalker-creep radar that she will sense his inherent stalker creepiness and avoid the guy.

TCW Anakin solves the problem nicely: he's not a stalker creep. He's attractive, charismatic, heroic and wildly in love with her. Why wouldn't she go for him? That shows how stunningly easy it can be to create a convincing romantic pairing. Just don't do something obviously wrong like making the guy act all rapey. TCW Anakin is not too far afield from Han Solo, so if that was the intent all along, they finally got it right.

For the movies, either Lucas should have told Christensen "stop acting like a rapist!" or if he couldn't stop (I hope for his sake, that was just acting), fire the guy and hire someone who can play the role correctly. I mean jeezus, I wouldn't even have wanted to be on the same set as the guy, nevermind in scenes with him.

My hunch is that George didn't even get that there was a problem. He just decided, "they're in luuuuvvvv" without seeing the necessity of convincing the audience of it by writing convincing love scenes, hiring actors with chemistry together, hiring actors who won't act like weird stalker creeps, etc.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ That's my assessment as well. I just know that Set Harth is gonna disagree...

 

[Whofan]

Hayden seems to be playing the same creepy character in every movie I've seen him in. Although I've heard he was OK in Takers.

 

[Mr Light]

Luke became a General at some point after ROTJ (I forget what he was in ROTJ) and resigned his commission in the "Shadows of Mindor" novel which I believe was 3-4 years after ROTJ.

 

[Mr Light]

George doesn't care about the acting. Faster! More intense! And I say that with love

 

[Whofan]

I thought there were some decent performances in the first film, especially from Guiness and Cushing. Then again it seems that Lucas does OK directing older more experienced actors like Christopher Lee and Ian Mcdiarmid.

 

[Set Harth]

Luke became a General at some point after ROTJ (I forget what he was in ROTJ) and resigned his commission in the "Shadows of Mindor" novel which I believe was 3-4 years after ROTJ.

It was around 1 year after ROTJ ( 5.1 ABY ), even though there's a text version of a crawl in the beginning which misleadingly says six months. The accurate placement can be determined from other references in the text.

Lucas should have told Christensen "stop acting like a rapist!

Lucas is such an avid childhood-rapist, he probably wanted it that way.

Like begets like.

 

[DWF]

Han refers to himself as "Captain of the Millenium Falcon" in ANH, it's not quite clear in ESB if he's any official rank within the alliance.

Han I think gets promoted (as well as Lando) upon their return to the fleet.


I wonder what rank Luke holds in ROTJ? He's not referred to anything other than "Jedi Knight". I know in ESB he's a commander, and the novels have him in the military for a while until he decides to focus more on the Jedi stuff.

Han owns the Falcon and he can officially call himself a Captain because of that, But they didn't give him a Rebel rank til ROTJ when he got his rank of General.

 

[Dac]

Well, I obviously misremembered on the whole rank thing then. I was just trying to get at the fact they most likely did spend a lot of the 3 years off screen together, the point still remains though (as Temis so eloquently pointed out) that Anakin is rapey and Solo is charming.

And just to point out, I don't think i've read anything official about Anakin being the Han Solo of the PT, but given how Lucas just tried to rip everything off from the OT (So it "Rhymes") and seeing as Anakin/Padme is the only analogous relationship too Han/Leia, I figured it was a worthwhile comparison to make.

 

[Mysterion]

Anybody have word on a DVD release for season 3?