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Star Wars:The Clone Wars S3......so far

The Sand People incident in AOTC was pretty frakked up, too. In the movies, he was off the deep end all along, but in TCW, he started off pretty sane and while I expected his arc to be downhill all the way, theyre doing the opposite, which is more interesting but I wonder where the heck they think they're going with this?!?

Maybe it's as easy as chalking up the Padme visions up to the Dark Side making its final moves for total control.... :eek:
 
The Sand People incident is what infuriates me about Padme accepting Anakin's love...after he revealed that to her.

I choose to forget AOTC happened at all.

The And how many innocent people on the Death Star did Luke kill? And still Leia rushed forward to hug him afterwards. :shrug:

Those frakkers just blew up her planet in front of her!!! She was probably overjoyed with VENGEANCE!!!! Vengeance is MINE, bwahaha, oh thanks Luke, you get a medal.

And she didn't know about the Death Star day care center. :(
 
The And how many innocent people on the Death Star did Luke kill? And still Leia rushed forward to hug him afterwards. :shrug:

Those frakkers just blew up her planet in front of her!!! She was probably overjoyed with VENGEANCE!!!! Vengeance is MINE, bwahaha, oh thanks Luke, you get a medal.

And she didn't know about the Death Star day care center. :([/QUOTE]

And the Tuskien raiders kiddnapped, tortured and killed Anakin mother. He went off the deep end but I can blame that on how he was taught, but then they didn't want Anakin becoming a Jedi in the first place.

Yoda: Everything! Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you.
 
^ Luke was following orders at the time and Leia celebrated him helping the Alliance beat their enemies. Anakin slaughtered people in revenge. The two incidents aren't related.
 
^ Luke was following orders at the time and Leia celebrated him helping the Alliance beat their enemies. Anakin slaughtered people in revenge. The two incidents aren't related.

EXcept for the fact that the hero kills innocent people each time. And I think for Luke it was more about action and adventure than following orders, Yoda even tells him that a Jedi isn't interested in all of that. I think Padme understood Anakin's feelings on the matter and we have no idea what her feelings are about the Raiders.
 
The reason only Luke/Leia could defeat Vader is because of his emotional connection to his children, not because of their midichlorian count. Well, not even defeat Vader, but turn him on Sidious.

I'm sure Yoda would have no problem assassinating Vader if he REALLY wanted to. But the Prophecy said only Anakin could "balance" the Force, and the Jedi interpreted that as meaning defeating the Sith.

So Yoda and Obi-Wan waited twenty years for Anakin's kids to grow up long enough that they could survive a fight with him for five minutes long enough for them to force him to reconnect with his old good self and assassinate Palpatine.

So I have no problem with other Jedi surviving the Purge, going into hiding, helping the Rebels, etc. Because they can contribute but they can't solve the problem.

One would think Ashoka would have the emotional connection for Anakin as well, but I'm sure they have a falling out at the end of the series. Well, personally I think she DIES.

But maybe it's more that the kids remind him of Padme. Remember in the movies (not so much in the show) Anakin is completely obsessed with her at all times.
 
Look at it from Padme's POV. She's told that the Tusken Raiders "look like people but they're animals" and that they rape and pillage their way through innocents. She never saw what they looked like, she never saw their villages. For all she knew, they were predatory creatures without sentient thought, truly animals who just walked on two legs instead of four.
 
Look at it from Padme's POV. She's told that the Tusken Raiders "look like people but they're animals" and that they rape and pillage their way through innocents. She never saw what they looked like, she never saw their villages. For all she knew, they were predatory creatures without sentient thought, truly animals who just walked on two legs instead of four.

What, she couldn't look them up on the Republic's equivalent of the Internet?
 
Look at it from Padme's POV. She's told that the Tusken Raiders "look like people but they're animals" and that they rape and pillage their way through innocents. She never saw what they looked like, she never saw their villages. For all she knew, they were predatory creatures without sentient thought, truly animals who just walked on two legs instead of four.

What, she couldn't look them up on the Republic's equivalent of the Internet?

At their rates it cost Anakin an arm and a leg to stay connected. :techman:
 
He went off the deep end but I can blame that on how he was taught,
How he was taught? The Jedi teach murder and vengeance?

Nah, the movie Anakin was squirrely from the first scenes of AOTC onwards. Hayden Christensen chose to give his performance weird stalker vibe, I noticed it almost immediately because I was thinking, "wow, they're not being too subtle about this, huh?" :rommie:

He was psychologically damaged, and slaughtering Sand People and kids was not out of character for him.

But the TCW Anakin isn't psychologically damaged, at least not so badly that he'd go off the rails like that unless there was some other factor in the mix.

As for Luke, he was doing what had to be done. He didn't think about the poor, innocent Stormtroopers who were probably just draftees or the Death Star day care center. Maybe it hit him later, but we never saw that part of the story, did we?

Luke was not portrayed as psychologically damaged in the least. He was definitely naive, though. Maybe a savvier and more mature guy would have stopped to think, "you know, we're probably going to kill innocent people if we manage to do the impossible and blow up the Death Star," but that thought would have been followed immediately by the realization that not blowing up the Death Star would result in the deaths of the rebellion, followed by many other worlds like Alderaan, so in balance, the decision would have been the same.

As for Leia, I think she was in shock during the whole movie, from the moment Alderaan blew up. Otherwise, how could she be so calm and focused about anything? She was running on emergency adrenaline. After the movie, she probably had a big ole nervous breakdown.

Look at it from Padme's POV. She's told that the Tusken Raiders "look like people but they're animals" and that they rape and pillage their way through innocents. She never saw what they looked like, she never saw their villages. For all she knew, they were predatory creatures without sentient thought, truly animals who just walked on two legs instead of four.

What, she couldn't look them up on the Republic's equivalent of the Internet?

I would expect a Senator from one of the Republic's worlds to have at least a passing understanding of the various races and cultures of the Republic, and not write any of them off as "animals," sight unseen. :eek: Padme was portrayed at least on the surface as intelligent, perceptive and unfailingly moral. There's no way to reconcile that characterization with her failure to ask any questions about the incident, even to herself.

Plus Anakin was acting pretty psycho when he told her about the incident. A caring, loving Padme would have calmed him down and then when he was distracted, called the Naboo funny farm to send some guys to take him away in a straightjacket and get him some medical help. Maybe it wouldn't have worked, but at least she should have tried. And if the Jedi had objected, that would be her cue to deliver a furious and well-deserved lecture about their responsibility for noticing when one of their guys is about to go around the bend. The Sand People incident made Anakin look insane and both Padme and all the Jedi look stupid and oblivious.
 
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@DWF so you're justifying Padme and Anakin's contrived love story simply because Luke did what he was supposed to do and destroyed the Alliance's enemies? The Sand People weren't Ankain Skywalker's enemies. He took revenge for killing his mother and slaughtered them. That's not what Jedi are supposed to do. Then he reveals this not to his supposed best friend and former Jedi MASTER because he knows he'll get in big shit, but to the woman that he has had an obsessive crush on since he was ten years old and whom he's been trying to get the attention of and she reeling from revolting shock later on admits an undying love for him! Yeah no, the two are unrelated and I have no idea why you're trying to bring Luke into this.
 
Tatooine is in Hutt space, it's not part of the Republic (and later the Empire) at all. As said in TPM "It's controlled by the Hutts" and "The Republic doesn't exist out here". The Republic might seem to encompass the whole galaxy, but it's clear in the films and even more so in the EU that there are other galactic governments. This is also the reason why Padme couldn't buy Shmi's freedom, it would transgress Republic and Hutt law. Although the Hutts do sign the ocassional treaty or agreement (As seen in Clone Wars, and I presume that in Star Wars the Hutts allowed the Empire to search the planet).

Also it is possible Anakin revealed the Sand people inciddent to more than just Palpatine. After all he had to account for being on Tatooine, and Yoda and Obi-Wan knew about Owen and Beru. Yoda also sensed the whole thing!


I think the KOTOR games explain the human presence there as being the leftovers of a failed mining colony, and the Sandpeople/Jawas basically the devolved indegrinous inhabitants.


BTW the scene in AOTC is clearly influenced by John Wayne's "The Searchers" (Starring Jeffrey Hunter, AKA the original Captain Pike) which also inspired the death of Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. And yet John Wayne is a 'hero'.
 
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Luke didn't destroy the death star out of HATE or REVENGE. Anakin killed because of both.


-Chris
 
^ Exactly the point that I'm trying to make.

But the dead remain dead no matter the intent, given the rather odd morality of the Star Wars univese it's not really a surprise that Padme would continue to be friendly with Anakin. Luke and Anakin follow similar paths though the movies, but we know that Anakin will turn to the dark side and we know that Padme will bear his twin children, there's very little that was likely to change that.
 
^ I think you're completely missing the point that I'm trying to make about about Padme and Anakin. I understand that they're supposed to be together. I'm saying that it was a contrived and silly courtship forced together without any real time to develop a proper relationship between the two characters. Padme spends practically the first half of the film rejecting or ignoring his advances. He reveals that he committed genocide to her, then all of a sudden when they're thrust into a serious situation she out of the blue admits her love to him. Their entire relationship makes no sense and is based on nothing.
 
^ I think you're completely missing the point that I'm trying to make about about Padme and Anakin. I understand that they're supposed to be together. I'm saying that it was a contrived and silly courtship forced together without any real time to develop a proper relationship between the two characters. Padme spends practically the first half of the film rejecting or ignoring his advances. He reveals that he committed genocide to her, then all of a sudden when they're thrust into a serious situation she out of the blue admits her love to him. Their entire relationship makes no sense and is based on nothing.

And Leia did her level best to reject and ignore Han, it's normal in movies for the girl to try and resist her feelings for the guy. Yet again I say the morality of the Star Wars movies is spurious and makes little sense and I'm sure she understood how he felt.
 
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