Star Trek Voyager: The Eternal Tide by Kirsten Beyer

[mindx2]

If Janeway comes back I'd only buy this book if it finished with her dying again and a Hirogen skull-f**king her corpse.

If it features that scene I'll buy two copies.

JoeZhang, that's a little harsh and kind of unnecessary/ inappropriate don't you think?

It's just a story and I have faith that Kirsten will write a good story as we have seen her do for the previous three she has given us... regardless of any Janeway appearance (flashback or resurrection).

 

[Dark Gilligan]

Janeway does come back, but as that devolved salamander thing. Hilarity ensues when she starts to follow Tom Paris around with the hopes of procreation twinkling in her eyes.

 

[Thrawn]

If Janeway comes back I'd only buy this book if it finished with her dying again and a Hirogen skull-f**king her corpse.

If it features that scene I'll buy two copies.

Whoa there, chief.

 

[Violet.Phoenix]

If Janeway comes back I'd only buy this book if it finished with her dying again and a Hirogen skull-f**king her corpse.

If it features that scene I'll buy two copies.

Sounds like someone got some leola root in their coffee this morning.

 

[MatthiasRussell]

the Borg Queen did die on the Cube in BOBW, but since she's not exactly a normal mortal being since she exists as a personality in a hive-network of a cybernetic organism, she's not only a different kettle of fish, she's a special kettle of special fish.

Did the Borg Queen die? Are we sure she didn't get off somewhere between Wold 359 and Earth? If she managed to download her consciousness elsewhere before her physical form was destroyed then she wasn't REALLY killed was she? Just like she wasn't REALLY killed during First Contact or Endgame, merely set-back. If we can respect her ability to survive by means of technology, why can't we respect Janeway or Sisko's ability to survive by means of aliens who have abilities and technology indistiguishable from magic?

Well, it is plausible she stopped the Cube and got off, given the later appearance of W359 assimilatees in the DQ. But, yes, you're point that she didn't die in FC is true. Endgame, i would say, was at least Author Intent that she died.

Sisko didn't die. He was teleported out of danger.

How is what happened to Sisko any different than what happened to Janeway? Sisko fell into a raging pit of fire same as Dukat. He was then transferred to the celestial temple to dwell with the prophets where I don't believe he was existing in physical form. He was transferred in some sense at the moment of death, same as Janeway.

How is what happened to Sisko or Janeway any different than what happened to Scotty in "Relics"? Scotty was "killed" by the transporter, his consciousness and form was stored in a computer memory, and he was later restored to life. In Scotty's case the preservation was done by technology; in the case of Sisko and Janeway this was done via beings whose power is beyond our ability to comprehend.

 

[JoeZhang]

If Janeway comes back I'd only buy this book if it finished with her dying again and a Hirogen skull-f**king her corpse.

If it features that scene I'll buy two copies.

JoeZhang, that's a little harsh and kind of unnecessary/ inappropriate don't you think?

It's just a story and I have faith that Kirsten will write a good story as we have seen her do for the previous three she has given us... regardless of any Janeway appearance (flashback or resurrection).

OK - how about this instead, they play football with her head instead?

Sounds like someone got some leola root in their coffee this morning.

Thinking about it, the idea must have popped into my head because I just read the latest issue of The Boys which features a rogue super-hero

Spoiler: Spoiler for most recent issue of The Boys

skull-f**king the corpse of the US President

.

 

[ryan123450]

Well that's odd.

 

[mindx2]

If Janeway comes back I'd only buy this book if it finished with her dying again and a Hirogen skull-f**king her corpse.

If it features that scene I'll buy two copies.

JoeZhang, that's a little harsh and kind of unnecessary/ inappropriate don't you think?

It's just a story and I have faith that Kirsten will write a good story as we have seen her do for the previous three she has given us... regardless of any Janeway appearance (flashback or resurrection).

OK - how about this instead, they play football with her head instead?

Sounds like someone got some leola root in their coffee this morning.

Thinking about it, the idea must have popped into my head because I just read the latest issue of The Boys which features a rogue super-hero

Spoiler: Spoiler for most recent issue of The Boys

skull-f**king the corpse of the US President

.

Note to self: Stay far away from any issue of The Boys!

 

[Sci]

If Janeway comes back I'd only buy this book if it finished with her dying again and a Hirogen skull-f**king her corpse.

If it features that scene I'll buy two copies.

Jesus Christ, dude.

I'm about ready to jump on the Bring Janeway Back bandwagon just because that's such an ugly, alienating image.

 

[Kertrats47]

If Janeway comes back I'd only buy this book if it finished with her dying again and a Hirogen skull-f**king her corpse.

If it features that scene I'll buy two copies.

Jesus Christ, dude.

I'm about ready to jump on the Bring Janeway Back bandwagon just because that's such an ugly, alienating image.

Amen. Way to drive up their recruitment! That's just ugly, and to my mind, it has no place on this message board, regardless of one's opinion on this topic. Let's keep it a little more respectful than that, huh? Just my two cents.

 

[BritishSeaPower]

Janeway comes back as the Phoenix, clearly. Oh... wait. Am I confusing Avengers Versus X-Men with Voyager? ;-)

I haven't gotten to (the much publicized) death of Kathy yet, but I can't say it's out of the realm of Trek to bring her back. Let's see how it turns out. I've heard nothing but great things about Beyer's Trek so I'm excited.

 

[Fer]

Janeway comes back as the Phoenix, clearly. Oh... wait. Am I confusing Avengers Versus X-Men with Voyager? ;-)

That's the only problem I'd have with Janeway being brought back. Nowadays when a character dies in comics, the question isn't if they'll come back, it's "how long until do you think it'll be until they come back?" I'd hate to see that happen to Star Trek books as well.

 

[JD]

^Exactly my feelings as well. Death starts to lose it's dramatic impact if it's just a temporary thing.

 

[Turtletrekker]

If Janeway comes back I'd only buy this book if it finished with her dying again and a Hirogen skull-f**king her corpse.

If it features that scene I'll buy two copies.

Jesus Christ, dude.

I'm about ready to jump on the Bring Janeway Back bandwagon just because that's such an ugly, alienating image.

Agreed. Besides, the BBJers will just use your quote to demostrate how ALL of the "Keep Janeway Dead" are rude, disrespectful, ect.

 

[rfmcdpei]

If Janeway comes back I'd only buy this book if it finished with her dying again and a Hirogen skull-f**king her corpse.

If it features that scene I'll buy two copies.

WTF?

 

[JoeZhang]

If Janeway comes back I'd only buy this book if it finished with her dying again and a Hirogen skull-f**king her corpse.

If it features that scene I'll buy two copies.

Jesus Christ, dude.

I'm about ready to jump on the Bring Janeway Back bandwagon just because that's such an ugly, alienating image.

Amen. Way to drive up their recruitment! That's just ugly, and to my mind, it has no place on this message board, regardless of one's opinion on this topic. Let's keep it a little more respectful than that, huh? Just my two cents.

Respectful to what? it's just a bit of corporate fiction - it's nothing truly important. Read trek fiction is like having a big mac, you can eat it and enjoy it without having to bow down to a statue of Ronald McDonald.

 

[Sci]

Jesus Christ, dude.

I'm about ready to jump on the Bring Janeway Back bandwagon just because that's such an ugly, alienating image.

Amen. Way to drive up their recruitment! That's just ugly, and to my mind, it has no place on this message board, regardless of one's opinion on this topic. Let's keep it a little more respectful than that, huh? Just my two cents.

Respectful to what? it's just a bit of corporate fiction - it's nothing truly important. Read trek fiction is like having a big mac, you can eat it and enjoy it without having to bow down to a statue of Ronald McDonald.

1. Even if it's fiction owned by a corporation, I for one happen to like Janeway as a character. So do many others.

2. The violent imagery and the sheer vitriol of your post were disturbing.

3. The image of violence against a female character makes it doubly disturbing, since one of the issues we're talking about is the role of sexism in influencing or not influencing how fictional characters are treated and how narratives are constructed.

 

[Kirsten Beyer]

...this is Kirsten Motherfucking Beyer...

How wrong is it that I love the way my new middle name makes me sound?

If it wouldn't kill my mother, I might consider making the change legal.

As you were.

Kirsten

 

[rfmcdpei]

Amen. Way to drive up their recruitment! That's just ugly, and to my mind, it has no place on this message board, regardless of one's opinion on this topic. Let's keep it a little more respectful than that, huh? Just my two cents.

Respectful to what? it's just a bit of corporate fiction - it's nothing truly important. Read trek fiction is like having a big mac, you can eat it and enjoy it without having to bow down to a statue of Ronald McDonald.

1. Even if it's fiction owned by a corporation, I for one happen to like Janeway as a character. So do many others.

I can take her or leave her. I'm inclined to think that in the television show, Janeway's character wasn't sufficiently developed to keep my interest, but that's an issue more to do with the writer's execution than the idea behind the character.

2. The violent imagery and the sheer vitriol of your post were disturbing.

This connects to 3.

3. The image of violence against a female character makes it doubly disturbing, since one of the issues we're talking about is the role of sexism in influencing or not influencing how fictional characters are treated and how narratives are constructed.

Sexualized violence is all the more problematic in this context; the Urban Dictionary definition is gruesome.

Two points.

1. I went with Janeway's death in Before Dishonor not because I wanted the character killed off but because I thought that, whatever the novel's flaws, it came up with a plausible and decent mechanism: an overconfident Janeway sets the stage for her assimilation by the Borg on the model of Locutus, and dies a noble death saving humanity.

2. Corporate fiction, non-corporate fiction--it's all important at different levels in different ways. Stories develop in different ways, characters for different reasons, etc.

 

[Sci]

Respectful to what? it's just a bit of corporate fiction - it's nothing truly important. Read trek fiction is like having a big mac, you can eat it and enjoy it without having to bow down to a statue of Ronald McDonald.

1. Even if it's fiction owned by a corporation, I for one happen to like Janeway as a character. So do many others.

I can take her or leave her. I'm inclined to think that in the television show, Janeway's character wasn't sufficiently developed to keep my interest, but that's an issue more to do with the writer's execution than the idea behind the character.

Honestly, most of what I like about Janeway has to do with what Kate Mulgrew brought to the table, and the subtext she could bring to Janeway. She really breathed life into a character that I tend to agree was under-served from a writing perspective; she made Janeway enjoyable and relatable even when the writing was poor.

2. The violent imagery and the sheer vitriol of your post were disturbing.

This connects to 3.

3. The image of violence against a female character makes it doubly disturbing, since one of the issues we're talking about is the role of sexism in influencing or not influencing how fictional characters are treated and how narratives are constructed.

Sexualized violence is all the more problematic in this context; the Urban Dictionary definition is gruesome.

Jesus Christ. I hadn't looked up the definition of "skullfucking." That makes it worse.