In most instances, envy.
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In most instances, envy.
^ BINGO ! ^
It's a how dare he make Star Trek, I should be making Star Trek 'cause i'm a REAL TREK FAN [tm] not J.J. mindest.
Me, i'm willing to give him a chance, just like I gave Bob Wise a chance, just like I gave Nick Myer a chance, Nimoy Directing, bah I didn't need to take a risk, he knew Trek from inside and out, no risk going to see Trek with him directing AND produceing the two films he did.
I should of never gave Shatner the chance as for he was at the Trek con here in Denver before Star Trek 5 was out and said " I don't know what the FX look like yet " THAT should of been a huge warning sign to not go see it, but I did anyway, and wish Shatner could go back and do like Bob Wise did and FINISH the dang film useing CGI to fix the problem areas in 5 ( namely all the stuff that Bran Ferren did that looks like it was done in someone's basement for $5 )
When Nick Myer returned I kew things were going to be okay so no risk the second time around with him.
I'll skip most of the TNG movies here, but you'll get the general idea.
I trusted John Frakes and was happy with First Contact
Met Frakes at a con, seemed to be a huge TOS fan, someone who GETS what Star Trek is about, the one reason I gave him a chance and ended up a happy camper in part of that.
This brings us to here and now.
J.J. Well, it's someone who's never done Trek before, same as Bob Wise, Same as Nick Myer, should we give him a chance at this franchise ? I say YES WE SHOULD !
If it trurns out to be garbage, well, onto the next Trek film done by some young Hollywood Hot Shot 10 years from now, and we'll go through this same mess all over again.
Fan A : He shouldn't be making Trek, he's never done it before
Fan B : Why don't we give him a chance ?
Fan A : Because he doesn't GET it, no one GETS it, well except for me, I should be makeing the next film.
Of course by that time i'll be in my 50's and not care.
- W -
* Who's willing to give JJ a chance *
It's a how dare he make Star Trek, I should be making Star Trek 'cause i'm a REAL TREK FAN [tm] not J.J. mindest.
Me, i'm willing to give him a chance, just like I gave Bob Wise a chance, just like I gave Nick Myer a chance, Nimoy Directing, bah I didn't need to take a risk, he knew Trek from inside and out, no risk going to see Trek with him directing AND produceing the two films he did.
I should of never gave Shatner the chance as for he was at the Trek con here in Denver before Star Trek 5 was out and said " I don't know what the FX look like yet " THAT should of been a huge warning sign to not go see it, but I did anyway, and wish Shatner could go back and do like Bob Wise did and FINISH the dang film useing CGI to fix the problem areas in 5 ( namely all the stuff that Bran Ferren did that looks like it was done in someone's basement for $5 )
When Nick Myer returned I kew things were going to be okay so no risk the second time around with him.
I'll skip most of the TNG movies here, but you'll get the general idea.
I trusted John Frakes and was happy with First Contact
Met Frakes at a con, seemed to be a huge TOS fan, someone who GETS what Star Trek is about, the one reason I gave him a chance and ended up a happy camper in part of that.
This brings us to here and now.
J.J. Well, it's someone who's never done Trek before, same as Bob Wise, Same as Nick Myer, should we give him a chance at this franchise ? I say YES WE SHOULD !
If it trurns out to be garbage, well, onto the next Trek film done by some young Hollywood Hot Shot 10 years from now, and we'll go through this same mess all over again.
Fan A : He shouldn't be making Trek, he's never done it before
Fan B : Why don't we give him a chance ?
Fan A : Because he doesn't GET it, no one GETS it, well except for me, I should be makeing the next film.
Of course by that time i'll be in my 50's and not care.
- W -
* Who's willing to give JJ a chance *
Ah, but unlike Messrs. Wise and Meyer, J.J. Abrams is a life-long Star Trek fan.
Which, in fact, means he's seen and enjoyed a great deal more "Star Trek" than Wise or Meyer.
I didn't know that following two TRek shows don't make one a life long fan.
In fact, one will do - Abrams is in his forties and TNG is twenty years old.
"Life-long fan" and "obsessive consumer of every Trek episode and movie ever made" are overlapping rather than congruent sets.
There's something very reassuring about certain comments that Abrams has made, along with certain things we've recently become aware will be in the film (ie, major sequences are DEFINITELY set at SFA, and are alleged to involve the Kobayashi Maru scenario).
See, something Abrams said early on was that he'd had a story he's "always wanted to tell," since he was still a teenager, and now he has a chance to do that.
Well, Abrams and I are the exact same age (and the same height, build, etc, etc, but none of that is relevant). So when he talks about some idea he came up with at a particular point in his life, I can look at the same point in my life and I know what I knew about Trek at that point. This was BEFORE TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT. So the kernel of his idea cannot directly involve any of those. It was also before STIV, STV, or STVI.
Basically, from what he's said, he came up with his storyline sometime shortly after TWOK.
And lo and behold, here we are, seeing young James Kirk facing the Kobayashi Maru, one of a couple of major "untold stories" talked about in TWOK.
Basically, what we're seeing here is a fully-fleshed-out version of a story that Abrams has had kicking around in his head since he was a young teenager, which he first thought up just after seeing TWOK. And based, at least in part, upon his fantasy "expansion" of that film's hinted-at past events.
ALL of us have done that at some point or another, haven't we? But Abrams became a filmmaker and so he gets to finally put his ideas down on film for all of us to share.
If nothing else, I'm sure that Abrams' film concept is well-thought-out. He's had about 25 years to work out the details!
Yep! I had a similar epiphany with Peter Jackson talking about "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy. He dates back his own interest in Tolkien to the influence of Ralph Bakshi's animated version of 1980. That was the pinnacle of my interest, too, and I was 21 at the time, so I certainly went into the film trilogy with a great deal of faith that Jackson and I were on the same wavelength.
Even though many people who've seen the Bakshi film hate it intensely, I'd enjoyed it very much (while still seeing its foibles) and I felt I knew what aspects had excited Jackson.
I had good feelings about Brian Singer and "Superman Returns", too, and wasn't disappointed, and am feeling great about Abrams due to "Lost" and his documented statements about ST.
slappy said:
Woulfe said:
I trusted John Frakes and was happy with First Contact
How'd you feel about Insurrection then?
It wasn't too bad, but it wasn't too good as well.
Like I said, I skipped commenting the other TNG films for a reason, nobody wants to hear what I think of them, really.
Trust me you're better off not knowing
- W -
* Winks *
To be fair, that was Steven Spielberg's take on the film from the beginning. When you sell a product (in this case the Transformers film) you have to present a unified front when marketing aspects of the film. The "boy and his car" aspect was hyped by Spielberg and the writers went with it.
^ AICN is grabbing at straws ! ^
Takeing elements from fan-fics, novels, comics, ect and trying to pass it off as infromation about the new film, when just like us THEY HAVE NO IDEA what the new film is about.
However they have to post SOMETHING about the new film even if they know nothing about it.
Takeing elements from fan-fics, novels, comics, ect and trying to pass it off as infromation about the new film, when just like us THEY HAVE NO IDEA what the new film is about.
However they have to post SOMETHING about the new film even if they know nothing about it.
