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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x09 - "Subspace Rhapsody"

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I look forward to the inevitable muppets episode.

The “wee little puppet man” episode of Angel was hysterical! :devil:

A few more thoughts:

I’m enjoying the songs (and the actors’ performances of the songs) even more on repeated viewings.

Last season La’an got a Disney princess dress. This season she got a Disney princess power ballad. I guess that makes Kirk the Disney prince. :biggrin:

I really want an Uhura/Spock duet in a future episode. I feel like their voices would sound great together (reminiscent of Tara and Giles in Buffy) plus there’s precedent in TOS so it wouldn’t be contrived.

I need the Klingon Language Institute folks to translate the BTS song “Dynamite” because everyone knows K-Pop is better in the original Klingon. :lol:
 
Christine has really come off as a big jerk lately. Spock deserved better from her. We never did see them happy - I don't know why they even bothered with the romance. It'll be hard to watch her mooning over him in the original series over this. I wanted to slap her in this episode.

This is what's bugging me about their story. They spent pretty much the entire series building it up, they give us an earned clinch, one episode where it looks to be going okay and then we're already breaking up. I would like to have seen this relationship breathe a bit before bringing in Chapel going off to Roger Korby, and have the breakup be done in a heart wrenching private (or painfully public) scene without an musical number. But they handled "M'Benga's daughter" plot in much the same way. Lots of build up and then a sudden resolution that didn't live up to (admittedly my own) expectations. But we're not at the end yet, so let's see where it goes.

I'm actually disappointed they're trying to shoehorn all of this into continuity. I really wish they'd just let TOS go and allow these characters to follow paths unhindered by a 57 year old TV show. I love the original series dearly, but this series could be so much more satisfying in the end if it ignored it.

This is a high concept "hey wouldn't it be cool if we did a musical?!" episode. And there's nothing wrong with high concept, Trek is filled with it. But I personally would have appreciated some of these otherwise interesting character arcs be addressed in less of a weird "Broadway fantasy" way. But that's just me. The bulk of posters here loved it. I can't like em all.
 
This is what's bugging me about their story. They spent pretty much the entire series building it up, they give us an earned clinch, one episode where it looks to be going okay and then we're already breaking up. I would like to have seen this relationship breathe a bit before bringing in Chapel going off to Roger Korby, and have the breakup be done in a heart wrenching private (or painfully public) scene without an musical number. But they handled "M'Benga's daughter" plot in much the same way. Lots of build up and then a sudden resolution that didn't live up to (admittedly my own) expectations. But we're not at the end yet, so let's see where it goes.

I'm actually disappointed they're trying to shoehorn all of this into continuity. I really wish they'd just let TOS go and allow these characters to follow paths unhindered by a 57 year old TV show. I love the original series dearly, but this series could be so much more satisfying in the end if it ignored it.

This is a high concept "hey wouldn't it be cool if we did a musical?!" episode. And there's nothing wrong with high concept, Trek is filled with it. But I personally would have appreciated some of these otherwise interesting character arcs be addressed in less of a weird "Broadway fantasy" way. But that's just me. The bulk of posters here loved it. I can't like em all.

They have been pretty loose with continuity with Akiva admitting that. So I don't really feel like they are trying to shoehorn anything. I have a feeling eventually we will find out it's just another alternate reality. Which is ok. Because nothing says these actors can't play the same role in the prime universe later on if that is indeed the case ..
 
I am going to start by stating that I don't like musicals. It's a genre that just doesn't appeal to me.

My wife made an interesting observation about me while we were watching this... it's the first time I ever checked after an ad break for any episode and said "This is the final act" as if I was relieved. I didn't realize I said it that way, but she was right. She also nailed the reason why I don't like musicals... they drag on. More accurately, they drag on in a repetitive way. Meaning a character will burst into song about their heartache/emotion/whatever and the point was fully made in 2 minutes... but they will still keep going with it for 2 or 3 minutes more. Songs have repitition, and that's fine. But on a tv series, it just wastes time. I like my episodes as lengthy as possible so we can get those day in the life scenes, character beats, etc. But NOT when it's this repetitive.

Having said that, I did like that the episode focused on the emotions the crew were going through in their situations... Spock, Chapel, Uhura, Pike.

Nice to have Carol named here... AND pregnant. Even better that it's pretty much exactly right in terms of timeline.

Kirk telling Spock he almost understood what he said... that was a nice scene.

I have to say, Chapel does not come off well here. She tells everyone else about her acceptance into the Korby fellowship... except Spock? That's kind of disrespectful, because she always had at least a fundamental respect for him and cared for him, and this just doesn't follow her previous motivations. No wonder he ends up going to full Vulcan mode by the time of TOS. The man has done everything he could to be understanding and helpful in the relationship... given space when needed, changing the subject Dak'Rah was going on because it was upsetting Chapel, etc. And you know he would be the first one to say 'go for the fellowship' and not guilt her to stay, because he's a good guy. I don't buy the excuse of the Boimler scene in the turbolift is her way of getting out of his way for his destiny... she was already on the fence of even being in a relationship in the very next episode after "Charades". Spock's line to Stonn in "AMOK TIME" about wanting and having a thing really carries extra weight because of Chapel... she's basically the living embodiment of that sentence.

And Una turning off the gravity and her and La'an floating in the conference room... why? Just... why?

When the Klingons were about to come onscreen, I was thinking to myself, "Finally, something I can get behind... Klingon opera." What happened just... I can't unsee that. I STILL don't know whether to be amused or disgusted. A Klingon boy band? I never liked boy bands, and combining them with Klingons... this is just dishonorable. :klingon:

Two things just really kept taking me out of the episode. First, the fact that the crew actually hear music coming from... apparently nowhere? Second, the dancing. Even the anomaly doesn't explain the crew doing dance numbers. (The only one that even makes a lick of sense is the waltzing with Una and Kirk... in the context of how ridiculous the situation is, as two people in a conversation, I can see them just shrugging their shoulders and just ramping the ridiculousness to 11. I can't say that about the bar scene, the corridors, or the bridge.)

And speaking of ridiculous dance numbers... the Enterprise and the 2 Klingon ships apparently dancing. STARSHIPS DANCING IN SPACE?! WTF was I watching.

I admire SNW for being experimental, and that it's confident enough to do this. But this just wasn't for me. I rated this a 5 because I wanted to be fair due to my own inability to get past the fact it was a musical... it's my lowest score of SNW to date, even lower than "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow". Like with that episode, if the character focus wasn't there, this would have rated a far lower number. If I am to be honest, I will never rewatch this one again, which is something I have never said about ANY episode in the entire franchise.
 
I gave it an 8. It's a nice episode but i felt like i was falling asleep in the middle.
Originally I was gonna give it a 7 but Bruce Horak in klingon makeup pumping out K-Pop just upped the ante for me.
 
It was interesting that Spock said there were 200 crew members on the Enterprise, just like in "The Cage." So the crew is twice as big by the time Kirk takes command...does this explain why the crew quarters are so enormous in Strange New Worlds?

I like to think so. And why the corridors always look so relatively empty. 200 people on a ship the size of Enterprise is a pretty thin population density, especially when most of them are either in quarters, at their stations, or in some form of recreation nearly all the time.
 
You know, while I really enjoyed this, there was maybe one missed opportunity: since the improbability field was spreading to all of Starfleet and most of the Klingon Empire, it would’ve been nice for the grand finale to have been all of Starfleet (and most of the Klingons) singing in contrapunctual harmony over subspace.
 
That post above by another poster was kind of misleading. They didn't approach Lin Manuel Miranda for this episode. Michael Chabon knows him and there were some discussions with him, Akiva, and Michelle Hurd about doing a musical for Picard down the line. Chabon said that he knew him and also 2 days later said that Miranda didn't call him back.

https://tvline.com/interviews/star-...isode-9-lin-manuel-miranda-picard-1235022842/
Thanks for that. 2 days ain’t that long. Plus Lin is a busy guy. I’m glad he didn’t because I think not turned out better than I ever imagined. Don’t know if I could have dealt with Pike and Spock busting rhymes Hamilton style.
 
Can I just say I break into song all the time?I like musicals. I like Star Trek. I liked that there was immediate self awareness of the crisis scenario, as well as the idea that it was a security threat in part because feelings. Interesting concepts. I gave it an 8 because I don't see myself watching this on repeat, whereas I'm still quoting the LDS crossover all the time.
 
Thanks for that. 2 days ain’t that long. Plus Lin is a busy guy. I’m glad he didn’t because I think not turned out better than I ever imagined. Don’t know if I could have dealt with Pike and Spock busting rhymes Hamilton style.

I don't know if Lin would automatically go for the Hamilton style for Trek had he come onboard for it. He has done much, much, MUCH more than just Hamilton, with many different styles.

But he's not the only talented musical playwright out there these days. And Polce and Hanley did an admirable job here.
 
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Klingons, as a race, live life big and don't pull back. They love big. They fight big. They party big.

As my wife has said, they are by nature 'very over the top'. So I expected an opera, because that fits Klingons perfectly because opera IS over the top.

Boy bands are not over the top. They are ridiculous and ludicrous. Combining it with Klingons... (insert Picard double facepalm)

(To be fair, classic rock is my genre of music. Always has been. So my perception of boy bands is very colored.)
 
Can I just say I break into song all the time?I like musicals. I like Star Trek. I liked that there was immediate self awareness of the crisis scenario, as well as the idea that it was a security threat in part because feelings. Interesting concepts. I gave it an 8 because I don't see myself watching this on repeat, whereas I'm still quoting the LDS crossover all the time.
I did love that they immediately knew something was wrong and also the joke about instantly realising what a hell the musical universe would be :lol:.
Much better than dragging out a realisation that they were singing.
 
Klingons, as a race, live life big and don't pull back. They love big. They fight big. They party big.

As my wife has said, they are by nature 'very over the top'. So I expected an opera, because that fits Klingons perfectly because opera IS over the top.

Boy bands are not over the top. They are ridiculous and ludicrous. Combining it with Klingons... (insert Picard double facepalm)

(To be fair, classic rock is my genre of music. Always has been.)

I think the point of the K-Pop was that we were all expecting opera. That's rather like my initial thoughts about the Vulcan crimelord in Discovery who I thought should have been Romulan. That they made him Vulcan was a bit less lazy.
 
I think the point of the K-Pop was that we were all expecting opera. That's rather like my initial thoughts about the Vulcan crimelord in Discovery who I thought should have been Romulan. That they made him Vulcan was a bit less lazy.
The decision to do pop was fine but what spoiled the scene for me was his voice completely changed. Would have been much funnier to do pop in his Klingon voice.
 
Just a quick aside but if you want to know how many people seem to be aware of this episode, I just had:

Strange New Worlds Musical episode

show up on the trending search list for the Google browser on my cell phone. (And no, I myself haven't been doing any Google searches related to the episode.)
 
I think the point of the K-Pop was that we were all expecting opera. That's rather like my initial thoughts about the Vulcan crimelord in Discovery who I thought should have been Romulan. That they made him Vulcan was a bit less lazy.

Wasn't that Vulcan crime lord in PICARD season 3, not DISCO?

I get their point was to have the Klingons use a different genre. It just didn't work for me. (I'm still torn on being amused or not, because it's so jarring.)
 
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