I like Disney. Even if I go into the show or film expecting something over the top there is usually a small smile.
This is not that experience for me.
Others no doubt disagree.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x09 - "Subspace Rhapsody"
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This is not that experience for me.
Others no doubt disagree.
Is there any type of musical in existence that doesn't include the possibility that characters can break into song and dance at any moment?
That description just sounds like a musical to me, not some kind Disney specfic type of musical.
That description just sounds like a musical to me, not some kind Disney specfic type of musical.
Well I suppose that's true. I don't watch too many musicals. I only watch the Disney ones because my daughter likes to see them. So those are the ones I usually see
I get that musicals aren't for everyone. It is hard to accept if you're grounded in reality that people can randomly burst into song.
But what confuses me is that in a universe where there are many conceits that we have to make in regards to the number of alien races out there who have FTL capabilities, that there is FTL capabilities, that we can do a matter-energy transfer and any number of Star Trek concepts that aren't always truly grounded in science that bursting into song is a step too far, even when the pseudoscience that caused it tracks with all of he other pseudoscience we've seen in Trek over the past 57 years.
For me personally, that just doesn't compute. But to each his own.
But what confuses me is that in a universe where there are many conceits that we have to make in regards to the number of alien races out there who have FTL capabilities, that there is FTL capabilities, that we can do a matter-energy transfer and any number of Star Trek concepts that aren't always truly grounded in science that bursting into song is a step too far, even when the pseudoscience that caused it tracks with all of he other pseudoscience we've seen in Trek over the past 57 years.
For me personally, that just doesn't compute. But to each his own.
It's no different than people not liking certain kinds of stories in STAR TREK, like time travel. Or possession episodes. Or horror.
I think the reason why some people just don't understand why others may not like this one is because they think that person's dislike is rooted in them already accepting other concepts like transporters and warp drive, so why not crewmen bursting into song?
I've noticed many people here will react in utter disbelief that someone doesn't like this episode because it's a musical. Why? I don't see the same reactions when anyone says they don't like time travel so therefore didn't enjoy things like "THE CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER", STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT, "PAST TENSE" two-parter, or "YEAR OF HELL" two-parter.
So why do those who didn't like "Subspace Rhapsody" get blasted at so much?
Not sure I get the Pitch Perfect comparison. Aren’t the songs in those movies presented in the context of a singing competition?
“Sub space Rhapsody” seems to draw upon different Musical sources. The older musicals from the 30s thru the 60s and even the darker musicals from the late 20th Century like Chicago or Cabaret.
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Honestly? Because many dismissed it ahead of time because it was a musical. There’s a lot of Star Trek I don’t like. Sometimes vocally so. (See Picard season 3.) But I have always tried to give it a chance. Not saying all, but in some cases, I think SR was unfairly dismissed because of the genre.
I think because Trek is kind of expected to be tried regardless of genre. But, yes, I generally agree because I cannot stand horror or anything like it, and time travel has worn out it's welcome (yes, yes, I'm aware it is Trek staple, and yes I even have some time travel stories I like).
But, some things just are not my thing. That's OK too.
And yet the people that do give it a chance, don't like it, and say so, get a barrage of disbelief and negativity thrown at them. Those who are not into musicals already showed an open mind or was at least willing to give it a whirl just by watching it.
So my question still stands... why do those who didn't like "Subspace Rhapsody" get blasted at so much?
Gee, almost like those who get shit for liking Discovery…
Anyway, all I initially brought up was that I don’t understand why the concept of a musical was a step too far. I’m not saying that people are terrible for not liking it. It’s an honest point of not understanding. If you don’t like it, you don’t like it. At the end of the day, the only opinion I really care about when it comes to Star Trek is my own. You do you.
I'm presuming the DISCO statement was a general one for comparison.
I get that you don't understand, and I was trying to help you understand by saying it's simply a matter of personal tastes. There's nothing to understand because it is as simple as that. Just like you have stories or shows or genres that you don't like, others feel that way about musicals.
For the record I had no idea this episode was a musical going in. I've avoided reading anything about the episodes before watching them so I was clueless. When Spock first broke into song I thought maybe it was something like "Plato's Stepchildren." I had no idea the entire episode would be like that.
Just not for me. I watched it through mostly because I know while SNW is more episodic, plotlines are carried forward so I figured I should watch it at least once.
I'll give the show runners credit for trying something new. Even if it wasn't for me, not everything will be I know.
As long as the entire franchise doesn't become one big musical no harm no foul.
I don't really feel disrespected here. Though I'm amused that some seem to have difficulty understanding why some don't like musicals. For me I just never did. On the other hand I love horror movies. Someone here mentioned they didn't. My girlfriend doesn't either. That's fine, same as I don't like musicals. We each like what we like. That's cool. I just don't take my girl to see horror movies. Problem solved. It's all good
Just not for me. I watched it through mostly because I know while SNW is more episodic, plotlines are carried forward so I figured I should watch it at least once.
I'll give the show runners credit for trying something new. Even if it wasn't for me, not everything will be I know.
As long as the entire franchise doesn't become one big musical no harm no foul.
I don't really feel disrespected here. Though I'm amused that some seem to have difficulty understanding why some don't like musicals. For me I just never did. On the other hand I love horror movies. Someone here mentioned they didn't. My girlfriend doesn't either. That's fine, same as I don't like musicals. We each like what we like. That's cool. I just don't take my girl to see horror movies. Problem solved. It's all good
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It's mostly just the stop, break into song and dance thing that made me think of that.
I get that's common in musicals. Just most of the ones I see are Disney so that's why I think of Disney first.
I do too sometimes. My favorites are the non musicals like I noted.
But I don't even mind Frozen if I ignore the singing parts...of course without the singing the movie would be 10 minutes long LOL. Though one exception might be Olaf's summer song. That was actually kind of funny.
Ironic because I love music, as in rock, pop, dis o, new wave, etc. And I love concerts. Just something about it on screen just doesn't work for me.
BTW sorry for the multi posts. Having trouble with my phone. Can't seem to get the quote function right. I'll have to check on that
I didn't say that. I said that it mystifies me. Like talking to aliens.
There shouldn't be anything mystifying about that. People like or don't like things.
I don't have any problem with someone who doesn't like musicals (though I cannot begin to relate). I just really want to make sure folks understand that there are a lot of different kinds of musicals -- from the child-oriented family musicals of Disney to adult-oriented dramas like Chicago or Cabaret and everything in-between. "Subspace Rhapsody" is clearly on the lighter side, but it's not a Disney musical either.
I'm certain people are aware that there are different types of musicals. Just as there are different types of horror, scifi, drama, or anything else.
If someone doesn't like horror in general, for example, they are not really going to enjoy any of the subgenres like possessions, body horror, slashers, etc.
Same thing with musicals. It's not going to matter what kind of musical it is. If musicals in general are not something one enjoys, it's not going to matter that it's on light side or darker side.
It’s a bit like complaining about horses in a Western.