Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x05 - "Charades"

[fireproof78]

I thought we were referencing how neurotic and over-medicated modern Western society has become.

I mean, it's not an either/or proposition. People in the past could be mentally unhealthy, and people right now could be neurotic and over-medicated. That's been a debate for as long as I have been studying psychology and mental health (going on 20 years now).

The question isn't "Who was more healthier?" but "how can we be healthy nowadays based on both past and current knowledge?" I still utilize learned strategies from Marcus Aurelius, as well as Dialectical Behavioral Therapy techniques by Marsha Linehan.

If we constantly look back and sigh and go "Oh, that was so much better" we learn two things: jack and shit. It requires patience, discipline and balance to actually learn rather than stare at the present and think the past was better.

 

[Unique]

I mean, it's not an either/or proposition. People in the past could be mentally unhealthy, and people right now could be neurotic and over-medicated. That's been a debate for as long as I have been studying psychology and mental health (going on 20 years now).

The question isn't "Who was more healthier?" but "how can we be healthy nowadays based on both past and current knowledge?" I still utilize learned strategies from Marcus Aurelius, as well as Dialectical Behavioral Therapy techniques by Marsha Linehan.

If we constantly look back and sigh and go "Oh, that was so much better" we learn two things: jack and shit. It requires patience, discipline and balance to actually learn rather than stare at the present and think the past was better.

Getting eaten/murdered/enslaved or dying of starvation, disease, childbirth, or an infected blister (happened to Calvin Coolidge’s son) definitely wasn’t better.
My POV was that when you grow up in an environment like that, you’re going to roll with punches that would send the average modern person in the West into a tailspin.

 

[fireproof78]

Getting eaten/murdered/enslaved or dying of starvation, disease, childbirth, or an infected blister (happened to Calvin Coolidge’s son) definitely wasn’t better.
My POV was that when you grow up in an environment like that, you’re going to roll with punches that would send the average modern person in the West into a tailspin.

True but that goes back to abilities, skills taught and willingness to learn. Not everyone gets that, and that is why mentorship or mental health therapy can be helpful.

If done well, mental health treatment is not a forever proposition, depending. That people have a choice now to me is far better and dealing with the "tailspin" is part of that.

 

[Tallguy]

I thought we were referencing how neurotic and over-medicated modern Western society has become.

Were we?

I think I said that Spock needed more help (of whatever form) than he got in this episode.

Just think, 100 years from now someone will be running for office somewhere on a platform of how awesome it was in the 2020's.

 

[Unique]

Were we?

I think I said that Spock needed more help (of whatever form) than he got in this episode.

Just think, 100 years from now someone will be running for office somewhere on a platform of how awesome it was in the 2020's.

 

[Noname Given]

M'Benga literally dealt with a katric switch in SNW, but is nowhere to be found in Search for Spock when McCoy is stuck with Spock's katra!

What would he do in STIII:TSFS? They had tyo get Spock's breathing body back before you could get the Katra out; not to mention it wasn't a swap - there were 2 katra's in one person.

 

[fireproof78]

What would he do in STIII:TSFS? They had tyo get Spock's breathing body back before you could get the Katra out; not to mention it wasn't a swap - there were 2 katra's in one person.

He probably could have played the Vulcan harp thing at the ceremony and overseen Spock's rehabilitation.

Or are we to now believe that M'Benga is the default Vulcan medical expert in Starfleet and McCoy should have checked in with him first while out on a training cruise?

 

[Nerys Myk]

He probably could have played the Vulcan harp thing at the ceremony and overseen Spock's rehabilitation.

Or are we to now believe that M'Benga is the default Vulcan medical expert in Starfleet and McCoy should have checked in with him first while out on a training cruise?

Or even call him, when their next port of call is literally Vulcan.

 

[fireproof78]

Or even call him, when their next port of call is literally Vulcan.

I mean, not exactly since they put in at Earth and McCoy does the whole "remember" thing, remember?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I mean, not exactly since they put in at Earth and McCoy does the whole "remember" thing, remember?

Don't they go from Genesis to Vulcan?

 

[cooleddie74]

They did, yeah. They floored Kruge's Bird-of-Prey to get to Vulcan for the requested ceremony. The Earth thing was at the beginning of the movie and McCoy was displaying Spock's physical and personality traits for most of the film.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They did, yeah. They floored Kruge's Bird-of-Prey to get to Vulcan for the requested ceremony. The Earth thing was at the beginning of the movie and McCoy was displaying Spock's physical and personality traits for most of the film.

I was getting confused about when M'Benga should appear.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'd say...right when the Nerdrage gets the quietest.

 

[fireproof78]

Don't they go from Genesis to Vulcan?

I was thinking of the opening of TSFS which might have gotten everyone confused.

'Cause, once they get back to Earth Kirk can be like "Yo, McCoy be acting weird and Vulcan and shit. Call up Dr. M'Benga."

 

[Nerys Myk]

I was thinking of the opening of TSFS which might have gotten everyone confused.

'Cause, once they get back to Earth Kirk can be like "Yo, McCoy be acting weird and Vulcan and shit. Call up Dr. M'Benga."

I've always been confused as to why they needed to go to Genesis in the first place, To bring Spock's corpse to Vulcan? Did they really need the body to free his Katra? No one was expecting a living body when they got there. The Priestess must have gone "Wait, he's not dead?" and then had to perform a different ceremony and find sea urchin paste on short notice.

 

[cooleddie74]

Booker Bradshaw was still alive in 1984. I imagine had they paid him an adequate amount he'd have returned to play M'Benga.

 

[Nerys Myk]

TSFS short version
SAREK: Spock's Katra is in McCoy. Take him to Vulcan.
Vulcan a short time later.
SAREK: Spock's Katra is now at rest,

THE END

 

[jackoverfull]

I've always been confused as to why they needed to go to Genesis in the first place, To bring Spock's corpse to Vulcan? Did they really need the body to free his Katra? No one was expecting a living body when they got there. The Priestess must have gone "Wait, he's not dead?" and then had to perform a different ceremony and find sea urchin paste on short notice.

they needed his dead body for the ceremony.
One wonders what would they have done if the coffin had disintegrated in the atmosphere or the body was in any care irrecuperabile.

 

[DaveyNY]

they needed his dead body for the ceremony.
One wonders what would they have done if the coffin had disintegrated in the atmosphere or the body was in any care irrecuperabile.

... or if the planet had disintegrated before they got there.

 

[Nerys Myk]

they needed his dead body for the ceremony.
One wonders what would they have done if the coffin had disintegrated in the atmosphere or the body was in any care irrecuperabile.

That's the part that was never clear Sarek says " You must bring them to Mount Seleya, ...on Vulcan. Only there can both find peace." I guess by "them", Sarek means McCoy, Spock's Katra and Spock's corpse.