Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x05 - "Charades"

[Nyotarules]

One of my problems with nu-Trek and Enterprise. IDIC would indicate that the Vulcans would at least embrace the differences and keep an open mind. Logic would dictate that they show a little more self-control on the issue individually and as a species, eh?

In human history, officially Christian nations were anything but. (Hello South Africa, hello UK, hello Germany, hello USA, hello Canada, hello Australia etc etc!),
In a fictional universe many/some Vulcans failing to following their cultural semireligious Surakian teachings should surprise no one. Happens in real life in traditional Christian culture nations

 

[Nyotarules]

Now, by the time Amok Time comes around, the Spock/ Chapel thing may have run its course. It may not be completely over, but Spock has managed to control his human side more by then, so it's not so obviously out there to everyone. Then Pon Farr happens though, and Spock is still telepathically bonded to T'pring. Chapel cannot help him here, because of the telepathic bond to T'pring. In every other sense, their relationship was effectively over, save for that bond. They both found solace and had relationships with others, but probably due to family and even possibly political pressures, that bond was never severed.

From what I recall in Amok Time Spock was hoping to be spared the Ponn Farr, so if he never went into 'heat' his marriage to T'Pring would have never taken place.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

SEVET: Do I want to be right, or you to be happy? Or locked in a pattern buffer indefinitely? Hmm...



T'PRIL: Sevet???!!!



SEVET: You know, Captain Pike, in the privacy of our home she calls me Sevet of Nine. Yes, she had eight husbands before me. All vanished mysteriously like the Kerhov civilization you are currently investigating. I long to be liberated from this collective sometimes. Will you be my Janeway?

 

[Addy_lane]

From what I recall in Amok Time Spock was hoping to be spared the Ponn Farr, so if he never went into 'heat' his marriage to T'Pring would have never taken place.

I seemed to have forgotten that Spock hoped to be spared the Pon Farr. His desperate need to get to Vulcan was to take care of the issue however which way he could. No wonder he was tight-lipped about his condition. Not only was it highly private for a Vulcan, but it also meant he had to possibly seal a marriage to his ex that he had long gotten over.

 

[Nyotarules]

I prefer TOS impression (prior to ENT and VOY) that Ponn Farr was a Vulcan male hormonal issue. Explains why Sevet is submissive to his wife, he needs her to save his life!

 

[Voodoowoman2]

Before I go back and re-watch Amok Time (because I'm sure I will not like it if I take SNW into account) is there any indication that Spock has seen T'Pring since childhood? I mean, I know it's clear that Chapel has never met her.

Actually it isn't clear at all that Chapel hasn't met her. She shows shock. That's all. We inferred that she didn't know about her, but maybe she thought it was over and it clearly isn't and Spock being Spock didn't tell her.

 

[Okmyx]

They should have found some way to do that. That would have been amazing.

The little meta-touches were nice, Spock having Vulcan ears and eyebrows applied in the same way Nimoy used to.

The meta touches were amazing in this episode. Pike's U-turn, uhura and ortegas telling chapel to get with it,etc. But the one I really enjoyed was la'an when they were teaching Spock to speak like a Vulcan: Ortegas explained the facial muscles then la'an did her little nod and point.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

Damn it. I totally remembered it being Chapel who asked "Who is she?"


Let me know how it goes.


All of the Vulcans we've seen have been the Earth / U.S.A. equivalent of people who live on Martha's Vineyard. Everyone else is really like people you meet in Idaho. (Yes, I live in the U.S. Pick someplace else globally that's "low rent". And apologies to Idahoans. Pick the global opposite of Martha's Vineyard. Jeez! People are touchy! Especially the people in my head that I'm proactively placating!)

No. Uhura asked "Who is she?"

 

[cooleddie74]

And Uhura wouldn't know because she's never seen her face. The one time T'Pring was on the bridge viewscreen in SNW Uhura wasn't present. At least I don't think she was.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

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SEVET: Do I want to be right, or you to be happy? Or locked in a pattern buffer indefinitely? Hmm...

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T'PRIL: Sevet???!!!

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SEVET: You know, Captain Pike, in the privacy of our home she calls me Sevet of Nine. Yes, she had eight husbands before me. All vanished mysteriously like the Kerhov civilization you are currently investigating. I long to be liberated from this collective sometimes. Will you be my Janeway?

T'Pril in Vulcan Versace.

 

[Amasov]

Good lord.

This show is just perfect this season, or as near as can be. I loved the first three, thought the fourth was a slight dip and that Charades was the best of them all so far.

It shocked me.

Then it made me laugh, out loud, belly laughs, again and again.

Then it broke my heart.

Then it made me cry with joy.

More thoughts later, but on every level a production can be, that was sublime.

Exactly how I feel.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Yellow and Blue added together make green. Like Spock's Vulcan blood! Hmm...



CHAPEL: I have your Vitamin C. C for Christine Chapel.

 

[The Wormhole]

She's a Vulcan Hyacinth Bucket.

Pronounced Bouquet!

"I got that reference."

 

[IMC Headquarters]

"I got that reference."

Now we know what a Candlelight Supper consists of...

 

[Yistaan]

I seemed to have forgotten that Spock hoped to be spared the Pon Farr. His desperate need to get to Vulcan was to take care of the issue however which way he could. No wonder he was tight-lipped about his condition. Not only was it highly private for a Vulcan, but it also meant he had to possibly seal a marriage to his ex that he had long gotten over.

It's kind of confusing now. We also get the explanation that T'Pring and Spock were telepathically bonded or something, which isn't mentioned at all in SNW. It also seems that if Spock's life were literally at stake, Chapel probably would have been willing to get into bed with Spock to save him (and this episode makes it clear she's already done it before). Would Spock sleeping with Chapel not actually help because of the telepathic bonding thing? Is that why he shouted at her and threw the plomeek soup in the hall? Now I'm genuinely confused.

 

[Addy_lane]

It's kind of confusing now. We also get the explanation that T'Pring and Spock were telepathically bonded or something, which isn't mentioned at all in SNW. It also seems that if Spock's life were literally at stake, Chapel probably would have been willing to get into bed with Spock to save him (and this episode makes it clear she's already done it before). Would Spock sleeping with Chapel not actually help because of the telepathic bonding thing? Is that why he shouted at her and threw the plomeek soup in the hall? Now I'm genuinely confused.

If I recall from the Voyager episode Blood Fever, the person experiencing the. Pon Farr must mate with the person with whom they share the telepathic bond.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Also, with Amok Time.. She could have ended it at any time it seems with SNW version, didn't have to wait till Ponn Farr, and the day of the wedding and Khalifi to call it off.. Maybe it was to far along and she would loose face? But that would cost the life of Spock or then Kirk.. She was open to basically murder to get out of the marriage by then? Doesn't seem like that on SNW..

That's because nu-Trek has patently abandoned the idea that Vulcan has any real culture of its own, much less an alien culture with truly different rules, traditions, and even the specter of mortal combat with melee weapons in the ritual of mating. Nobody accepts the idea that Vulcans could go seven years between sexual congress because humans find it inconceivable, and this show is written by humans. Everything in the show conforms to human standards, expectations, and cultural norms. Vulcans are portrayed not as clinically logical and unemotional, but almost neurotically repressed, overemotional humans harboring deep anger and petulant resentments at almost every turn.

This is why Spock and Chapel should probably have been left alone, and these relationship dynamics explored with other, human characters. But I'm sure that to the show-runners, one of the main reasons Chapel was included as a character at all is because this hint of an unrequited relationship in TOS was seen as low-hanging fruit and juicy fan service.

 

[Yistaan]

If I recall from the Voyager episode Blood Fever, the person experiencing the. Pon Farr must mate with the person with whom they share the telepathic bond.

This telepathic bond really needs to be brought up in SNW then. Spock's getting hell for not demanding a clean break from T'Pring, but it's not clear he could do that easily even if he wanted to.

Ironically, getting stuck as a human for life in this episode probably would've solved the pon farr and telepathic bond problem.

 

[Yistaan]

In that case, Spock should probably have died in TSFS, as he was not telepathically bonded with Saavik.

We can assume that the telepathic bond was "reset" so to speak after Spock's death, meaning that it didn't matter who he mated with. Also there must have been tons of pon farrs between TOS and TSFS, which I assume Chapel helped out with.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

This telepathic bond really needs to be brought up in SNW then.

It doesn't.

I doesn't matter.