Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x05 - "Charades"

[Jedi Marso]

It's implied by Spock looking at a picture of T'Pring as a young girl. But it seems unlikely that Spock just has the one picture. Also by T'Pring's line "it is I."

Uhura is the one who asks who she is. I don't recall if they interacted on SNW. I think Chapel gets a reaction shot though. Might be "Who's that?" or "Her!!!!"

Let me know how it goes.

I watched it today, and I just skimmed the transcript. Spock never says if he’s seen her since the ceremony when he was 7.

Unique is right, and I am living proof that the Mandela Effect is a thing, because I could have sworn I remembered that. But I just watched Amok Time start to finish and there is nowhere that it states they haven't seen each other regularly in years past. Go figure!

 

[Mudd]

These writers have really created a fascinating character in T'Pring.

I hope Sturgeon's estate is raking in the residuals.

 

[voyager1]

I really enjoyed this episode. I know trek has done this type of topic before so I was afraid this was just going to be rehash of Tuvix from Voyager or maybe the one where Tores gets split into her Klingon and Human halves. But this was similar but very different. I really enjoyed it. Solid episode going to give it an 8.5 which rounds to a 9 for voting. A much improved episode after last week!

 

[Jedman67]

T'Pril is honestly stuck up little B*tch. I love it.
I also love how T'Pring takes him to the cleaners for not trusting her. I don't agree with her, but then again, trust is an essential part of any relationship and Spock does break her trust.
Dad is definitely a bit afraid of T'Pril but he takes in Pike as a kindred spirit.

As a Spock/Chapel outing, I think Peck and Bush absolutely nail it but I'm ready for a Uhura-Una episode.
The underlying plot was satisfying as well.
Solid 11/10.

 

[ichab]

Here's an honest take..
Loved the episode, but wish they took it the other way, made him a full Vulcan.
Still be some humor but show the totally logical Spock .. Piss off everybody.. Get along with Tprings mom, but Tpring and chapel don't like the new full version.

Who says that can't happen next year ?

 

[fireproof78]

T'Pril is honestly stuck up little B*tch. I love it.

Well, that was the impression of T'Pring in Amok Time, so checks out.

 

[cooleddie74]

Little changes over the coming seven years.

 

[Amasov]

Una doesn't hold back.

I love how Amanda is slightly startled when Spock says, "My mind to your mind,"

 

[josiephine]

Ethan Peck continues to delight as Spock, oscillating between the Spock we know and a Spock we don't with perfection. The supporting cast are used wonderfully here, especially Jess Bush's Chapel. I was howling and giggling from start to finish. Spock, you're such a messy bitch, I love it. 10/10, with ease.

I hope SNW keeps a tradition of mid season Spock Hijinks episodes. Some of the best laughs in Trek since The Voyage Home.

 

[Yistaan]

Subtle touch but they kept Uhura and T'Pring apart again. It's not as heavy handed as Sarek and Spock has been but it does seem strange now that Uhura never heard of T'Pring or saw her before as Amok Time established.

Chapel herself knows all about T'Pring but is confused by Spock's outbursts in Amok Time after making him plomeek soup. I kind of think after this episode Spock would just come clean to Chapel in Amok Time. It still fits, but just barely.

 

[grimorie]

Enjoyed this episode! I'm not a Chapel/Spock shipper (since I've come into TOS via the AOS movies I'm a Spock/Uhura shipper) but I do like T'Pring a lot and I think Spock should have fully broken up with T'Pring. Spock's been into Chapel for a long while before this and it's not fair to T'Pring who does seem to truly love Spock including his Human parts.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Good lord.

This show is just perfect this season, or as near as can be. I loved the first three, thought the fourth was a slight dip and that Charades was the best of them all so far.

It shocked me.

Then it made me laugh, out loud, belly laughs, again and again.

Then it broke my heart.

Then it made me cry with joy.

More thoughts later, but on every level a production can be, that was sublime.

 

[Sci]

Spock and Christine got together.

9/10 no notes.

 

[Yistaan]

Kirk gets a reputation as a playboy, but it seems now that he and the ship he ran were practically chaste compared to all the romantic action going on during Pike's tenure.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

It would have been great if they tried to use the Mego helmet.

They should have found some way to do that. That would have been amazing.

The little meta-touches were nice, Spock having Vulcan ears and eyebrows applied in the same way Nimoy used to.

 

[Sci]

5/10. I wanted to like this one. Didn't work for me.

It was very Lower Decks. Feminist comedy. The women having all the agency, authority and the upper hand. The men played for laughs or placed in submissive positions (Spock, Pike, the Husband Vulcan; Zhaban 2.0,the Vulcan interviewer).

1) It was already established in TOS "Amok Time" that female Vulcan elders have a great deal of authority over things like marriages. I am under the impression that Leonard Nimoy, Theodore Sturgeon, and/or D.C. Fontana intended to imply that Vulcan is a matriarchy. Either way, T'Pring's mother being a dominant force in their family is fully consistent with what we have previously seen of Vulcan family and marriage dynamics.

2) The only male character placed in any sort of "submissive" position was T'Pring's father. The Vulcan who interviewed Christine was in no way in a submissive position, and neither was Spock.

Peck was alright as the Ashton Kutcher version of Nu Spock.

Nothing about Spock in DIS or SNW is in any way akin to Ashton Kutcher.

 

[Paul755]

preface this by saying I haven’t been a fan of the Spock/Chapel stuff at all…so maybe this is coloring my opinion but I thought the episode was just meh. Eps 1 and 5 of this season have been easily the weakest of the season. 6/10 for me.

I don’t think the episode was nearly as bad as the episode description made it sound but it still got too sitcomie for me at times. Like, Spock putting T’Prill in her place at the end felt like it was missing a “live studio audience cheering” reaction.

I did like Pike as the host and how talking to the Aliens was like a difficult customer service line. Really the only Spock outburst that made me smile was when he was pissed after what T’Prings mother said. The thing with Kirk was just dumb.

I wonder if it would have been better if they had made Chapel Leila instead. Because I find it hard to believe Spock would cheat on T’Pring twice. And yes, emotional cheating is still cheating and that’s what he’s been doing with Christine up until he decided to take her to pound town.

now, let the speculation begin on who does what to drive them apart.

 

[Yistaan]

I am under the impression that Leonard Nimoy, Theodore Sturgeon, and/or D.C. Fontana intended to imply that Vulcan is a matriarchy.

As far as intentions go, I'm also pretty sure I read Theodore Sturgeon intended for Vulcans to only be able to have sex every 7 years, which DC Fontana admittedly retconned pretty quickly by the third season realizing how limiting that would be for Spock and the beautiful woman of the week.

Even so, I'm pretty sure none of them intended for Spock to be bedding T'Pring AND Chapel to the degree that's shown in SNW. It also undermines the concept of pon farr that Vulcans are so repressed they literally go crazy every 7 years. Spock shown getting frequent romantic action in SNW before pon farr undermines all that, even if it doesn't break the letter of Amok Time's continuity it breaks the spirit of it.

 

[Jedi Marso]

That old trope that goes something like: "If you want to know what your wife/girlfriend/SO will be like when she's older, take a hard look at her mother."

D'ya suppose that applies to Vulcan women as well? If so, Spock better watch out! But we already know that, don't we?

 

[Noname Given]

even if Amok Time had clearly stated that they haven’t seen each other since they were children…would it matter. The producers have made it pretty clear that they will ignore what came before if it helps them tell the story they want to tell.

Yes, like the Producers /Writers of EVERY Star Trek series/film since 1966.