Their dogmatic racism makes joining and creating a Federation illogical though, since meeting other species will inevitably lead to cultural "contamination" and in the case of Sarek, biological "contamination".
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x05 - "Charades"
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Why?
Don't we all
Vulcan values, behaviors, societal rules are well established.
This assumes that they only have one cultural goal or that there are not multiple parties working towards different goals within their society.
This is a fucking fantastic take (I'm old enough to have seen that helmet on toy store shelves.)
See, I didn't notice the badge was mirrored... I thought in Spock's haste to find something to cover his ears, he wore his beanie inside-out because it looked weird.
Go rewatch an uncut version of TOS Amok Time, and pay attention to how T'Pau says:
"Art thee Vulcan or art thee Human?"
Or Sarek's general attitude whenever he's interacting with non-Vulcan characters in TOS S2 Journey To Babel.
Nothing in the episode is out of character for 23rd century Vulcans in the slightest.
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Well, we do have the fact he was technically an android at the time, to explain any differences, despite his protestations of being identical.
This isn't the first time that Spock has not trusted or confided in T'Pring to assist in a bad situation. <-- That's what she is upset about, that she and Spock are eventually supposed to be Husband and Wife and with that comes trust; which Spock HAS NOT shown to T'Pring. It's the lack of trust causing her issues with Spock, not the fact he's half human.
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I hereby change my vote to 10.
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Have you never seen TOS S1 The Naked Time, or TOS S2 Amok Time?
If you have I guess you either fell asleep during certain parts, or weren't really paying attention to what was being played out on the screen.
I mean, I think in Amok Time it's clear it's not just that he is human, but that he was distant, traveling with Starfleet and not committed to her.
That's what I thought too!
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Indeed. She even says, in TOS, "I do not wish to be the consort of a legend," so it was a number of things, but his half Vulcan/Human biology isn't among them.
Agreed. This all seems to be making T'Pring seem relatable. You may not AGREE with her, but you understand her.
What Chapel got from the aliens was a fix to a change that they made two Spock's DNA without his consent: and it was a cure specific to him/ that situation.
Two episodes ago we saw that the Federation still frowns on any genetic manipulation; we know that carries over into the 24th century because of what happened when Dr beshears genetic alterations (to correct various developmental disabilities he had as a child) became known to the Federation and Starfleet.
In TNG's pilot episode, Encounter At Far Point, Geordi specifically says:
" I was born this way.'
So yes any genetic manipulation to correct his blindness is illegal in the federation, and if it was ever carried out and exposed publicly, that would be the end of Geordi career in Starfleet.
We as an audience haven't seen a broad spectrum of the people of Vulcan. We've seen some old world type elites, stuffy academics, and (I think in Enterprise) some v'tosh ka'tur who interpret the teachings of Sarek differently (one of whom is an asshole and arguably a sexual predator). We've also seen that T'Pring is devoted to her work and has compassion for her patients. She was concerned about the safety of Xaverius (Sybok) but was willing to risk her career and reputation to save Spock. We just need to see people who aren't scientists, diplomats or academics.
I give it 7/10. Entertaining with a few nice twists at the end. If it wasn't for TOS existing I would want Spock to get with Chapel permanently and drop T'pring and her judgmental family as they seem to be more trouble than they are worth. And I loved Chapel basically telling the Vulcan Institute to go shove it. Looks like even a hundred years after Archer's time there is still Vulcans with a prejudicial view towards humans.
I think we have seen enough to know they are not monolithic, even in their approach to the Surakian traditions. In "Yesteryear" Spock, posing as a cousin, states he is there to honor the families gods. So there are multiple traditions and paths running through Vulcan culture, as I would expect.
A big issue here is that I really don't like Ethan Peck's acting as Spock, so I'm always going to struggle with a Spock-centric episode. and this one... I just didn't get it. Was it supposed to be a comedy episode? Why are we back to the "surprisingly emotional asshat Vulcans" of Enterprise?
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