Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x05 - "Charades"

[Jedi Marso]

It may have been present before, but this was the first time I noticed it:

In La'an's office there appeared to be a leather saddle, and a small statue of a cowboy breaking a bronco (sort of the Wyoming thing) on her desk. Have we seen these before, and of what significance might they be? Something to do with her upbringing or hobbies/ interests that we haven't seen yet? It is more the sort of thing I would have expected Pike to have.

I also got a kick out of the idea that Spock had to go have a chat with La'an akin to a trip to the principal's office after his little outburst with Sam Kirk.

 

[thribs]

I just assumed that was Pike’s office she was using

 

[drt]

I just assumed that was Pike’s office she was using

You are correct, it’s also part of the main conference room.

 

[fireproof78]

In La'an's office there appeared to be a leather saddle, and a small statue of a cowboy breaking a bronco (sort of the Wyoming thing) on her desk.

Souvenirs from the people she's killed.

 

[Jedi Marso]

You are correct, it’s also part of the main conference room.

I'm hoping I catch more of these little details when I go back and re-watch the show from the start. It always amazes me how much 'little stuff' some of the fans pick up on, like the mirrored delta on the beanie, that I completely miss on first watch-throughs.

 

[Unique]

Agreed. Spock didn't put the relationship on hold, T'Pring did, she flat walked out on him, not giving Spock a chance to say a word. So I guess Chapel is a revenge thing...

Query: If Vulcan emotions are stronger than human's, wouldn't it be easy for Spock to repress his now fully human emotions?

A personal bias: Enough with the short, tight hairdos! grow 'em and let 'em loose!

But at the same time he didn’t have the disciplined Vulcan control anymore.

 

[Mudd]

Solid 10.

 

[Unique]

"Amok Time" is the only TOS episode dealing with Spock and T'Pring, so that's the one you're looking for if you haven't seen it.

I started it on the Paramount app, and as far as I can tell I last watched it as a kid and I think I only saw the beginning. I have no memory of T’Pring being in it.

 

[tomalak301]

I started it on the Paramount app, and as far as I can tell I last watched it as a kid and I think I only saw the beginning. I have no memory of T’Pring being in it.

She’s a much more memorable character on SNW, which is why i hope this isn’t the last we see of her.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

I started it on the Paramount app, and as far as I can tell I last watched it as a kid and I think I only saw the beginning. I have no memory of T’Pring being in it.

It'll be quite shocking in light of SNW. I'm all in for how we got from here to there, but I do wonder how I'd view Amok Time if I'd never seen it before seeing SNW.

 

[Amaris]

What a fantastic episode. I love Star Trek.

 

[Unique]

a starfleet ship has a warmer environment than a typical Vulcan kitchen? Seems odd knowing how hot Vulcan is. Unless they cook in a refrigerator

Yeah, that didn’t make sense to me.

 

[FederationHistorian]

It was refreshing to see Spock’s human side. And to have the focus be on Amanda Grayson instead of Sarek when exploring Spock’s parents. There were a lot of questions as to how Amanda lived on Vulcan if there are Vulcans that have bigotry towards humans, and Vulcans with human in them.

The episode was basically a fusion of Spock's experiences on Vulcan in ST '09 with "You Are Cordially Invited". One could argue that the writers were completely influenced by Spock in ST'09, from the romance to the outburst at Sam Kirk.

8/10. Aside from last week’s episode, the quality has been consistent this season.

I adore the energy and chemistry of both Spock/T'Pring and Spock/Chapel so, on one hand, Spock and Chapel getting together has me grinning like an idiot. But, on the other hand, I feel so bad for T'Pring; she did everything right but in the end was done dirty. And I'm conflicted on the final scene where Spock sort of... um... cheats(?) on T'Pring with Chapel even though they're "on a break"?

It’s very clear at the end of this episode that Spock is off to do the Vulcan Vertical with Chapel, while T’Pring is off to do the same thing with Stonn. Neither are innocent, though the focus is on Spock.

 

[Unique]

It'll be quite shocking in light of SNW. I'm all in for how we got from here to there, but I do wonder how I'd view Amok Time if I'd never seen it before seeing SNW.

“And he’s as tight-lipped about it as an Aldeberan Shellmouth.”
I NEED to see that species in SNW.

 

[fireproof78]

It'll be quite shocking in light of SNW. I'm all in for how we got from here to there, but I do wonder how I'd view Amok Time if I'd never seen it before seeing SNW.

T'Pring and T'Pau both come across as arrogant, specist and insensitive. The ceremony has it's own pomp and circumstance but it's all for show, as T'Pring successfully uses tradition to gain her way. She is logical but not nearly so sympathetic to Spock as one might expect, even in a Vulcan relationship. It's just very procedural and transactional.

 

[Tuskin38]

It may have been present before, but this was the first time I noticed it:

In La'an's office there appeared to be a leather saddle, and a small statue of a cowboy breaking a bronco (sort of the Wyoming thing) on her desk. Have we seen these before, and of what significance might they be? Something to do with her upbringing or hobbies/ interests that we haven't seen yet? It is more the sort of thing I would have expected Pike to have.

I also got a kick out of the idea that Spock had to go have a chat with La'an akin to a trip to the principal's office after his little outburst with Sam Kirk.

That's Pike's stuff, not La'an's.

 

[Jedi Marso]

It’s very clear at the end of this episode that Spock is off to do the Vulcan Vertical with Chapel, while T’Pring is off to do the same thing with Stonn. Neither are innocent, though the focus is on Spock.

This is disappointing to me. It seems that our hero characters (and Spock is just that- a hero) should be able to uphold the standards and morals that we mere mortals so often fail to do- it is part and parcel of what makes them heroes in the first place. How are kids growing up supposed to have anyone to look up to and try to emulate if their heroes lack basic morality and character?

Or, maybe it would be more accurate to say that based on what their hero characters are showing them, kids growing up are going to think that this sort of behavior is right and acceptable, which is probably what a lot of Hollywood types are aiming for. Parents should be instilling the proper values in their kids, but too many just aren't, and entertainment media fills that gap.

 

[fireproof78]

Heroes are often less than our perception of them.

The problem with heroes always winning is that it creates the very false expectation of infallibility. That we mere mortals cannot obtain to this standard and eventually give up. In my opinion, choices should always be presented to humans (children and adults). To make a choice that isn't moral, and to recognize that choice isn't moral is just as significant to moral development as heroic ideals whom we can never be.

And I say that as someone who wanted to be like Spock as a child due to the mocking I took for having emotions.

 

[Amaris]

This is disappointing to me. It seems that our hero characters (and Spock is just that- a hero) should be able to uphold the standards and morals that we mere mortals so often fail to do- it is part and parcel of what makes them heroes in the first place. How are kids growing up supposed to have anyone to look up to and try to emulate if all their 'role models' lack basic morality and character?

Nah, it shows them as living beings instead of cardboard cutouts. Kids trying to emulate perfection or idealism is a surefire way to fall so far short that they fall into despair, and give up. You want attainable characters, not perfect ones.

 

[fireproof78]

Nah, it shows them as living beings instead of cardboard cutouts. Kids trying to emulate perfection or idealism is a surefire way to fall so far short that they fall into despair, and give up. You want attainable characters, not perfect ones.

Better put, more sucient.

Can't tell you how many times I've worked with kids who are depressed because they are not perfect like their friends, much less their heroes.