Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x04 - "Among the Lotus Eaters"

[Guy Gardener]

What is this referring to?

In general education at the academy, battle simulations are (most likely very advanced) video games.

Or Did you mean A Quality of Mercy? Pike shoved into TOS Balance Terror, replacing Kirk, last episode of Season one, where the Romulan Commander was betrayed and executed by his first officer because Pike made the Romulan Commander look like a cuck.

 

[Phoenix219]

Not a loop.

Where she comes from is temporally shielded.

There are no more doppelgangers of Sera from alternate futures coming back to fix time.

Cause and effect dies before it touches her.

Loop was the wrong word. Iteration of the timeline. Third set of events. Second time the rewrite has happened. Second time interference from the timeline moved Khan's birth. She was there to kill him in the 90s, but it was moved. Someone else must have been there to kill him in the 50s/60s, previously, during her mentioned Time War.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Loop was the wrong word. Iteration of the timeline. Third set of events. Second time the rewrite has happened. Second time interference from the timeline moved Khan's birth. She was there to kill him in the 90s, but it was moved. Someone else must have been there to kill him in the 50s/60s, previously, during her mentioned Time War.

A possibility is that there were no test tube babies.

They augmented adults.

So 90s project Khan could have been with an adult, or it could have been a third round of funding.

Or Sera could have meant that she was killing him before he started the war, not stopped him from being born.

The Into Darkness comics said that hey found an 11 year old kid on the streets and augmented him into Khan.

 

[Phoenix219]

A possibility is that there were no test tube babies.

They augmented adults.

So 90s project Khan could have been with an adult, or it could have been a third round of funding.

Or Sera could have meant that she was killing him before he started the war, not stopped him from being born.

The Into Darkness comics said that hey found an 11 year old kid on the streets and augmented him into Khan.

The only way it can be the same Khan, and not someone who just happens to get the name and role of Khan, is if its an exact cocktail of test tube creation. Random children or adults augmented from the streets wouldn't be the same person, delayed a few decades.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The only way it can be the same Khan, and not someone who just happens to get the name and role of Khan, is if its an exact cocktail of test tube creation. Random children or adults augmented from the streets wouldn't be the same person, delayed a few decades.

It's not the same person.

Project Khan is a process, a set of procedures for making a super fetus and conditioning a child to make a "superior" adult. Just because they named the first kid off the production line "Khan", the next thousand were still also made from the same cloth, even if with different baby batter, any of them could have just as easily been Khan.

(Which is how we got Kore.)

Note how we have seen so far, a Mexican, an English and an Indian Khan so Far.

Hardly the same guy.

Or...

They froze a fetus in the 50s and thawed it in a number of different eras depending on wrinkles in time. Or they froze a super egg in the 50s, and inseminated the egg with different sperms, when they thawed the egg at different eras due to wrinkles in time.

 

[Mudd]

The only way it can be the same Khan, and not someone who just happens to get the name and role of Khan, is if its an exact cocktail of test tube creation. Random children or adults augmented from the streets wouldn't be the same person, delayed a few decades.

A wizard did it.

 

[Phoenix219]

The aliens from "Charades",

Ahh.... I'm watching that one this week. I just finished episode 4 and just caught up with the episode four thread. No wonder I didn't recognize the reference. I hold myself to one episode a week.

 

[Bea Jonas]

The title of this SNW episode, "Among the Lotus Eaters", may have referenced Homer, but the plot was straight out of Clifford D. Simak's classic 1953 story from Galaxy Magazine, Junkyard, which was turned into a radio play for X Minus One in 1956.

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[gvn2fly]

Despite it supposedly being the franchise's party line, we didn't actually see very many "new" planets in TOS. Okay, by virtue of being the first series, they were all new to the audience, but a majority of the time the planets they went to were either known or already visited by someone from Earth/the Federation. There really isn't very much actual exploration done in Star Trek.

I even remember a joke during an old comedy show talking about TNG..to boldly go where no one has gone before but everywhere they go people they know are already there.

 

[the G-man]

USS Cayuga?

 

[Nerys Myk]

USS Cayuga?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cayuga_(LST-1186)

 

[the G-man]

Good concept, so-so execution and a little too derivative of better episodes.

 

[the G-man]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cayuga_(LST-1186)

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[hbquikcomjamesl]

Kind of a letdown after SNW 2x02 and 2x03, and LD 3x10. Had to look up the myth.