Why do you think these rules are now in place?
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x04 - "Among the Lotus Eaters"
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Shame he didn't delete his twitter account altogether.
Repeating something doesn't make it true. Still prime timeline.
They aren't on a pleasure cruise and the ship (at least in the 23rd century
), isn't a hotel.Exploration can be and often is dangerous. If they operated as you suggest, every planet could be explored remotely via automated probe with no need for crewed ships.
They found a planet that couldn't be scanned from orbit so they sent people trained for such operations to take a look with MkI eyeballs.
And Pike prioritized the lives of his landing party over replaceable equipment. He wasn't willing to sacrifice lives if he could help it; and the details of the encounter haunted him for a time and made him consider resigning.
(Plus the fact that Star Trek is a dramatic TV show, and not a RL documentary, so having a show about robotic AI Probes scanning planets and sending info dumps of the results back would be boring.
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Just getting to this one now.
I thought it was good. It felt a LOT like something out of TOS, and I love when SNW pulls that off. I think Mount did a really nice job here. I liked the call-back to the first S2 episode with M'Benga making the quip about "being a medical professional selected for an away mission due to his combat skills." I think it was interesting to re-visit the Rigel 7 incident first introduced in "The Cage", and I liked that they did something sci-fi/creative with it.
I thought it was a little disjointed at times, though. I think they lost an opportunity to explore the "Colonel Kurtz" aspect of the crew member who was left behind. To me, that seemed like rich ground for a story that was sidelined for the weaker sub-plot aboard the ship with Ortegas doing her pilot thing. I like Ortegas, but not in this case, at the expense of the more interesting plot on the planet.
I also thought the themes of memory and pain were a nice way of almost expanding on Kirk's famous line "I need my pain" from TFF. There was definitely more to explore there as well... But, again, some interesting ideas that weren't fully fleshed-out because they went too "all-in" on the shipboard B-plot.
Still, despite the flaws, it was fun and entertaining. 8/10 from me, warts and all. .
I thought it was good. It felt a LOT like something out of TOS, and I love when SNW pulls that off. I think Mount did a really nice job here. I liked the call-back to the first S2 episode with M'Benga making the quip about "being a medical professional selected for an away mission due to his combat skills." I think it was interesting to re-visit the Rigel 7 incident first introduced in "The Cage", and I liked that they did something sci-fi/creative with it.
I thought it was a little disjointed at times, though. I think they lost an opportunity to explore the "Colonel Kurtz" aspect of the crew member who was left behind. To me, that seemed like rich ground for a story that was sidelined for the weaker sub-plot aboard the ship with Ortegas doing her pilot thing. I like Ortegas, but not in this case, at the expense of the more interesting plot on the planet.
I also thought the themes of memory and pain were a nice way of almost expanding on Kirk's famous line "I need my pain" from TFF. There was definitely more to explore there as well... But, again, some interesting ideas that weren't fully fleshed-out because they went too "all-in" on the shipboard B-plot.
Still, despite the flaws, it was fun and entertaining. 8/10 from me, warts and all. .
Or the Gorn episode, which I find considerably worse.
Which one, the ship-to-ship one, or the Alien Franchise one?
The Alien Franchise one. In my opinion the worst of the first fourteen episodes. The first Gorn episode is awesome.
Yup. My least favorite, the Elysian Kingdom, is still Tony the Tiger Grrrrreat!
None of the fourteen are bad. That's just the worst one in my eyes. I'm sad Hemmer's dead but his death was masterfully crafted and the best part of that episode.
Need to wait until the series is over.
They're not all going to be winners. Certainly I did not care for the Gorn episodes. I have not cared for Kirk's inclusion in "A Quality of Mercy" or more recently. But, "worst of the entire series?" No, I'm not buying it.
Nope. Behr specifically stated in the DS9 doc that Brooks wanted that look from the very beginning and he had to fight for three years for Brooks to be allowed to do it. I can't find a clip of it on youtube, but it's at the 11 minute mark on the "What We Leave Behind" documentary. Behr even asks the former chairman of Paramount point blank why this fight took three seasons. The former chairman said that it was because they didn't want a look that was too "street." In other words, "we think it would have been too frightening for our audience."
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That's the beginning of the show though. Obviously the studio ignored Behr and Brooks. And if those spencer movies never happened, they might've still kept ignoring them
NOPE. The facts don't line up with your theory.
The first three Spencer movies aired between July 22, 1993 and Dec. 1, 1994. The first episode of DS9 aired Jan. 3rd, 1993. So Avery Brooks had no problem being baby face Sisko in one show and bad ass Hawk in another at the same time.
The last Spencer movie with Brooks aired Jan. 4, 1995 which a full eight months before Way of the Warrior, which is the first time Avery went bald on DS9.
Plus, Ira Behr was the actual showrunner for DS9 and the guy he is talking to was the chairman for Paramount at the time the show aired. So forgive me if I take their word over yours.
Ok, it sounds like you're right. I could've sworn those Spencer movies were later (my mother had me watch them with her) but I believe you.NOPE. The facts don't line up with your theory.
The first three Spencer movies aired between July 22, 1993 and Dec. 1, 1994. The first episode of DS9 aired Jan. 3rd, 1993. So Avery Brooks had no problem being baby face Sisko in one show and bad ass Hawk in another at the same time.
The last Spencer movie with Brooks aired Jan. 4, 1995 which a full eight months before Way of the Warrior, which is the first time Avery went bald on DS9.
Plus, Ira Behr was the actual showrunner for DS9 and the guy he is talking to was the chairman for Paramount at the time the show aired. So forgive me if I take their word over yours.
I've enjoyed every episode of season 2 so far, to one degree or another. I cannot say that about the back half of season 1.
Actually, I think in that instance when he said "both timelines" it was in reference to the Prime and Kelvin timelines, since that discussion was referencing STID.
That is indeed what I meant
In that case, apologies are due. I must have misread. My bad.
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