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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x02 - "Ad Astra Per Aspera"

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Geordi did eventually get the visor changed to ocular implants starting with FC. Which raises a whole other series of questions.

One thing that is being missed in this conversation about the genetic ban, is what would happen if the ban was lifted. The playing field would no longer be even as non enhanced cadets would be having to compete with enhanced cadets and would feel pressured to get enhanced themselves just to compete. Similar to how before steroids were banned, athletes had to take them just to stay up with athletes that did, since steroids are an incredible advantage in any athletic endeaver. Hence the reason for them being banned in the Olympics and all professional sports.

Actually, Starfleet Academy already seems ridiculously and unnecessarily elitist with its requirements.
 
April says the law is just and moral as well as exists for a reason.
One bad incident by humanity when countless other species and plenty of individual examples have shown that Genetic Engineering has done alot of good. Just because one bad seed created a dictator when the people who stupidly misused Genetic Engineering to "Enhance Aggression" where humanity had plenty of aggression naturally was like giving people Rocket Acceleration when they can barely handle Sports Car Acceleration.

You're bound to get yourself into trouble when you are tampering with things you haven't thought about the long-term consequences on. Certain personality traits and features don't need tampering within the a persons Genetic Code.
Other aspects should be fine.

Don't mess with a persons natural aggression, leave that in default human range values and you should be fine.

Same with other more negative traits in humanity, don't touch them, leave them as is.
 
The Klingons almost destroyed themselves using the same technology.
The Klingons were using them to make "Super Soldiers", and as a consequence lost their ridges.

If you weren't trying to make "Super Soldiers" or Ultimate Super Powered Beings like X-Men, choose to go a simpler route and do modifications that weren't nearly as harmful, I think most people would choose "Life Extension" and wanting to live longer, and be younger physically on the inside and outside.

That would be the most popular genetic modification. Natural Long Life.

Imagine humanity having a natural life-span of 130+ years old as the minimum and you can look and function like you're modern day 65 y/o once you hit 130 y/o.

That slowed down physical and internal biological aging.

Improving on the "Quality of Life" would be FAR more valuable than having Super Powers or Becoming the next X-Men like Mutant.
 
One bad incident by humanity when countless other species and plenty of individual examples have shown that Genetic Engineering has done alot of good. Just because one bad seed created a dictator when the people who stupidly misused Genetic Engineering to "Enhance Aggression" where humanity had plenty of aggression naturally was like giving people Rocket Acceleration when they can barely handle Sports Car Acceleration.

You're bound to get yourself into trouble when you are tampering with things you haven't thought about the long-term consequences on. Certain personality traits and features don't need tampering within the a persons Genetic Code.
Other aspects should be fine.

Don't mess with a persons natural aggression, leave that in default human range values and you should be fine.

Same with other more negative traits in humanity, don't touch them, leave them as is.
It's interesting that other near-future and far-future scifi of note also have genetically engineered humans as a matter of course. In Foundation, they serve only on spacecraft for example. Trek kind of missed the boat
 
The Klingons were using them to make "Super Soldiers", and as a consequence lost their ridges.

If you weren't trying to make "Super Soldiers" or Ultimate Super Powered Beings like X-Men, choose to go a simpler route and do modifications that weren't nearly as harmful, I think most people would choose "Life Extension" and wanting to live longer, and be younger physically on the inside and outside.

That would be the most popular genetic modification. Natural Long Life.

Imagine humanity having a natural life-span of 130+ years old as the minimum and you can look and function like you're modern day 65 y/o once you hit 130 y/o.

That slowed down physical and internal biological aging.

Improving on the "Quality of Life" would be FAR more valuable than having Super Powers or Becoming the next X-Men like Mutant.
Of course. But there will always be the motives with those who want to even use that technology for some nefarious purpose.
 
I think one of the challenges of GE is that it removes the rights of the child, or embryo, at whatever stage they are at. Especially, it deligitimises certain people born in a certain way, by essentially removing the traits that make them who they are - thus ensuring that person doesn't exist - a decision made before birth, perhaps even before conception. It can create a form of eugenics, therefore.

I am no ethicist, but Genetic Engineering is a minefield - and one which in trek world is magnified by the sheer magic power of Trek's technology.

It is also comparable to General Order One - but in a way the show didn't draw a line to. Non-interference is the guiding principle of the federation, to not interfere with those at a more 'innocent' stage, but GE is interference with such innocents to reach an agreed end.

Challenging, and certainly something I am not sure I know any answers too.
 
I mean if someone uses my medication to kill someone, I'm not going to blame the fact they stole my medication. That's absurd.

Once?

Sure.

If it just happens once, you're just the victim of a crazy situation.

But what if your medication was used to kill another 10 people?

And then another ten people.

Something you are doing has got to change because your lack of precaution with your medication is complicit in the death of the next ten people, and the next ten people.
 
Instead the attorney decided to attack his record and grandstand which didn't accomplish anything.
I thought the attorney was deliberately trying to get April's testimony struck from the record.

I just want to say that I can tell how good an ep is by the level of thoughtful conversation here. You all are being awesome so it was fantastic. :)
 
I thought the attorney was deliberately trying to get April's testimony struck from the record.

I just want to say that I can tell how good an ep is by the level of thoughtful conversation here. You all are being awesome so it was fantastic. :)

April kept breaking general order one, over and over again.

He should have been jailed punitively a dozen times over for his complete disrespect of the Starfleet rule book.

That testimony needed to be on the record.
 
If she has 5 babies, and does not illegally genetically modify any of them, then it's fair to say that she is reformed, and they can let her go. Once out, everytime she modifies a child, put her back in jail, until she has another 5 children that are all left unmodified.

Sterilization wouldn't work, since she can still modify other people's babies, and frankly if the government sterilized her, upgrading the entire human race 50 billion strong would not be an over reaction, and that's the end to the original 4400.

(I watched 4 seasons of The Handmaid's Tale last month.)
I'm not sure you got the right message from The Handmaid's Tale.
 
April kept breaking general order one, over and over again.

He should have been jailed punitively a dozen times over for his complete disrespect of the Starfleet rule book.

That testimony needed to be on the record.
What I like is that it also showed how absurd the Prime Directive can be. It's simply insane to be a vessel of the Federation, part of their mission being to assist, to sit and watch a civilization die with no conscience other than that they didn't interfere. There is simply no way I can think of a ship's Captain or crew to be happy with that result.
 
April kept breaking general order one, over and over again.

He should have been jailed punitively a dozen times over for his complete disrespect of the Starfleet rule book.

That testimony needed to be on the record.
It's probably meant a reference to "The Drumhead," where Admiral Satie tries to use the fact that Picard has violated the Prime Directive NINE times as evidence that he didn't truly believe in Federation values.
What I like is that it also showed how absurd the Prime Directive can be. It's simply insane to be a vessel of the Federation, part of their mission being to assist, to sit and watch a civilization die with no conscience other than that they didn't interfere. There is simply no way I can think of a ship's Captain or crew to be happy with that result.
Both the Prime Directive and Star Trek's position on genetic engineering come out of the 1960s, where the Prime Directive was the show's response to the Vietnam War and the idea of how great powers sometimes shouldn't meddle in other cultures, and eugenics was associated with Nazis and government policies that called for forced sterilization.
 
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