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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x10 - "A Quality of Mercy"

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Glad you enjoyed it! From the Journey's perspective, it was just composed. Early Trek fandom was remarkable.



What did "The Cage" copy?

(this is what I consider a "copy")

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Just noticed the signature on the Amazing cover is Gray Morrow's. I'm only familiar with his comic book work , didn't know he did magazine covers.
 
This one was okay but far from the "best episode ever" the internet has hyped it as. Overly fanwanky, reminding me of the duplicated Into Darkness scenes everyone hated, and the new Kirk does not appeal to me. Felt feels when we saw what was left of Spock at the end. Christine's reaction was perfect.

They missed a trick by not casting James Frain as the Romulan commander... but I can guess without checking that at least 4000 people have already made the same comment.
 
This one was okay but far from the "best episode ever" the internet has hyped it as. Overly fanwanky, reminding me of the duplicated Into Darkness scenes everyone hated, and the new Kirk does not appeal to me. Felt feels when we saw what was left of Spock at the end. Christine's reaction was perfect.

They missed a trick by not casting James Frain as the Romulan commander... but I can guess without checking that at least 4000 people have already made the same comment.
I'm a "best thing ever" slut to be fair. Anything that hits the feels at the right time gets called that
 
This one was okay but far from the "best episode ever" the internet has hyped it as. Overly fanwanky, reminding me of the duplicated Into Darkness scenes everyone hated, and the new Kirk does not appeal to me. Felt feels when we saw what was left of Spock at the end. Christine's reaction was perfect.

They missed a trick by not casting James Frain as the Romulan commander... but I can guess without checking that at least 4000 people have already made the same comment.
Feel the same way. It does go into darkness rip off vibe .I think we need to be careful with what goes on the Internet these days since the news that Internet bots were part of the sndyer cut hype movement. The episode was average and quite thin in story. It lacked the depth of tng yesterday entrrprise and had no characters in it like tasher yar or guinan that could keep you more interested in this alternate reality. If anything quality of mercy just shows why snw can never rise above cw level story when compared to tng and all that has been said about new kirk has been said. Poor and lifeless acting from Wesley. Peck still chews his line as spock. You see nimoy superiority in acting when u match both clips from balance of terror. Peck voice may be deep but nimoy voice was deep also but had a calmness to it as well. Peck voice always seem like he is angry and about to bark at you all the time. Episode was decent next to the masterpiece of yesterday's enterprise.
 
Characters should die. No one deserves an "earned death." Stupid concept in modern fiction.
. In great story telling characters do get an earned death. Always been that way. Snw just had some poor writing like discovery when they made a big deal about a character dying we the audience never knew.
 
. In great story telling characters do get an earned death. Always been that way. Snw just had some poor writing like discovery when they made a big deal about a character dying we the audience never knew.
TOS did the same.

No character needs an earned death.
 
No. Not really. Tasher yar death had impact. Yar became quite a classic character in tek with many call back references. Hammer like airam from discovery would likely be forgotten.
Tomlinson was an earned death? Tormolon? TOS had random deaths and I felt for those and I felt for Hemmer and Ariam.

Not everything is earned. Doesn't make me not feel.
 
No. Not really. Tasher yar death had impact. Yar became quite a classic character in trek with many call back references. Hammer like airam from discovery would likely be forgotten.
Tasha Yar's death had impact?:guffaw:

Yeah if anything it showed the writer's room discussed with the character. A black mound of magic Metamucil tells her to stay where she is or it will kill the crew of the shuttle and kill anyone who tries to cross it.

Her response? (and remember she's supposedly a trained security officer and ahead of security on the Federation flagship):

TASHA: "Enough! We have people who need attention. We won't hurt you, but we must help them."

And she proceeds to just walk defiantly and gets blasted across the surface of the planet and killed.

Probably the most ridiculous death they've ever done in the Star Trek franchise. It was so bad that they gave her a do-over death in TNG S3 Yesterday's Enterprise.

Engineer Hemmer's death in contrast was rather meaningful in that the rest of the landing party we're willing to risk themselves; but Hemmer rejected the offer because he wasn't willing to risk everyone else's life just to save his own.
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It's a much more meaningful death, and way better written than the garbage death that was given to the character of Tasha Yar. The only reason her death is so memorable to fans is because it was so absolutely lousy and just showed the contempt The Producers had for the fact that Denise Crosby wanted off that horribly written first season of TNG. She was routinely written as utterly incompetent at her job on the ship.
 
Tasha Yar's death had impact?:guffaw:

Yeah if anything it showed the writer's room discussed with the character. A black mound of magic Metamucil tells her to stay where she is or it will kill the crew of the shuttle and kill anyone who tries to cross it.

Her response? (and remember she's supposedly a trained security officer and ahead of security on the Federation flagship):

TASHA: "Enough! We have people who need attention. We won't hurt you, but we must help them."

And she proceeds to just walk defiantly and gets blasted across the surface of the planet and killed.

Probably the most ridiculous death they've ever done in the Star Trek franchise. It was so bad that they gave her a do-over death in TNG S3 Yesterday's Enterprise.

Engineer Hemmer's death in contrast was rather meaningful in that the rest of the landing party we're willing to risk themselves; but Hemmer rejected the offer because he wasn't willing to risk everyone else's life just to save his own.
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It's a much more meaningful death, and way better written than the garbage death that was given to the character of Tasha Yar. The only reason her death is so memorable to fans is because it was so absolutely lousy and just showed the contempt The Producers had for the fact that Denise Crosby wanted off that horribly written first season of TNG. She was routinely written as utterly incompetent at her job on the ship.
No yar death had impact because there was an aftermath and her death had a profound effect on data and the rest of the series. Talking about what went on behind the scenes is not really relevant to the in universe story. I think we see more of the impact of her death in yesterday enterprise when she is alive in that timeline. Funny thing with yar she had her own Wikipedia page with legacy and reception. I doubt hammer will ever get one because unlike yar that hammer will fade into irrelevancy. I think what also helps yar is that she was part of a seller show like tng. Hammer been part of snw a very cw type show makes it had to do a deeper context with.
 
Tomlinson was an earned death? Tormolon? TOS had random deaths and I felt for those and I felt for Hemmer and Ariam.

Not everything is earned. Doesn't make me not feel.
You are pretty much making the point for him.
Tasha Yar's death had impact?:guffaw:

Yeah if anything it showed the writer's room discussed with the character. A black mound of magic Metamucil tells her to stay where she is or it will kill the crew of the shuttle and kill anyone who tries to cross it.
The death itself was lame, but people cared for the character, therefore she was brought back and the actress even played her daughter in a few more episodes. Pretty much nobody ever cared for Airiam and it was too early to care for Hemmer.
 
You are pretty much making the point for him.
The death itself was lame, but people cared for the character, therefore she was brought back and the actress even played her daughter in a few more episodes. Pretty much nobody ever cared for Airiam and it was too early to care for Hemmer.
Well said. We cared about yar. I think one of the most important moment is in tng measure of a man when data is been interrogated and he mentioned he and yar were a romantic item and everyone was shocked maybe even data himself having had to fully reliase it only when his livelihood was was been threaten. How is hammer remembers here that has real impact or depth.
Generic CW tv dialogue like uhura saying team hemura. I can't even believe I am putting snw and tng in the same sentence when it is clear which show had the superior and mature writing with memorable one off characters like tasher yar.
 
You are pretty much making the point for him.
The death itself was lame, but people cared for the character, therefore she was brought back and the actress even played her daughter in a few more episodes. Pretty much nobody ever cared for Airiam and it was too early to care for Hemmer.
Maybe for you. But if you read a lot of responses to the episode, plenty of people cared for the character and the manner of death has spurred a lot of discussion. Many feel he deserved a better death; others felt the death was well done in the context of the story, in character, and had a somewhat emotional impact on them.

I was watching TNG first run when they killed Tasha Yar. The responses to that death were either;

" it's a real example of the horrible level of writing of the on the show..."

" the character was so poorly written no wonder she wanted off the show."

" If that was an example of her acting ability, good riddance."

" it's too bad. She was one of the few nice pieces of eye candy on that show."

And as far as the character of Sela, please. The majority of even hardcore TNG fan reaction has been:

"Terrible character, poorly written and poorly acted..."

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Well said. We cared about yar.

You care so much about the character you can't even spell her name correctly. Her name is:
Tasha Yar, not "Tasher yar" ( and yes I thought you might have had a typo there, but you use the exact same spelling later in your post that I'm quoting here.

I think one of the most important moment is in tng measure of a man when data is been interrogated and he mentioned he and yar were a romantic item and everyone was shocked maybe even data himself having had to fully reliase it only when his livelihood was was been threaten.
All I can really respond to the above with is: :wtf:

Yes, data made that comment in the TNG S2 The Measure of a Man; but that was a probably an attempt to blunt the negativity they got from the only scene that infers a "romantic relationship".

Said scene occurred in TNG S1 The Naked Now, and I don't know if you could call what they had "romantic", based on that scene. The scene involves a effectively drunk Tasha Yar asking data if he's "fully functional" to which he responds, "In every way, of course. I am programmed in multiple techniques, a broad variety of pleasuring..."; "Oh, you jewel! That's exactly what I hoped."

Basically, she sees data as her personal sex toy. And it's actually pretty cringe-worthy when you consider that earlier in the scene she tells Data about her former life on the failed human colony where she grew up avoiding "rape gangs". There's also the fact that data is very naive when it comes to human behavior, and it's almost like she's taking advantage of a child at this point who doesn't really understand what's going on, or her reason for suddenly wanting to engage in this activity with him. It's basically a pseudo sex scene between two characters, neither of which really have the required mental capacity or understanding to actually consent to the act in a meaningful way.
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So yeah that's an example of the type of writing on early season 1 TNG, no wonder Denise Crosby wanted out.

How is hammer remembers here that has real impact or depth
From the reaction I've read here on this forum, and around the internet; the character was well liked, and the majority of viewers were unhappy to see the character go in this manner. Many (myself included) felt the death scene was well written and well acted. Others had different opinions; but overall, for you to claim the above just shows you either haven't been really reading the discussions about it, or really backing up the claim with any actual evidence.

Generic CW tv dialogue like uhura saying team hemura. I can't even believe I am putting snw and tng in the same sentence when it is clear which show had the superior and mature writing with memorable one off characters like tasher yar.
Interesting how the character played by Denise Crosby is so memorable you can't even spell the characters name correctly. (and after doing it twice in your post, no, as I also said earlier, I don't believe it's a typo.)

Again, I can only respond to what you've stated above with: :wtf:

I assume by the comment: "...uhura saying team hemura..."; you're referring to her line of: "team Hemmer"; and yeah, given the relationship that was developed over the six episodes that featured the characters of Hemmer and Uhura in scenes together; I think it's a lot better written then the scene in TNG S2 Measure of a Man, where data confuses Tasha Yars use of him as her personal dildo, in a situation where neither were able to give consent, as a caring romantic relationship.

I can't believe you're putting TNG season 1 writing on the same level as SNW season 1 writing either.

TNG season 1's writing is considered substandard by majority of even hardcore TNG fans. There's plenty of threads in the TNG Forum of this very BBS that expose that fact.
 
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Ariam’s death was head and shoulders above Tasha’s death. Better handled on all levels: acting, writing and direction.
 
Ariam’s death was head and shoulders above Tasha’s death. Better handled on all levels: acting, writing and direction.

Meh.

Tasha's death was fine, because it was abrupt and unexpected and that was the point. What the character "deserved," and the retrofitting later to try to give it some ongoing impact on TNG, were irrelevant.
 
I cared more about Tasha than Airiam, sadly. For all Denise Crosby's weaknesses as a performer and what the writers gave her to do she at least had a lot to do during her one season in the lead cast.

Airiam, well, just wasn't so fortunate.
 
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