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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x10 - "A Quality of Mercy"

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He was no longer captain when he had the accident, because he'd been promoted.
Nothing requires a fleet captain to give up command of a vessel. The chronology can easily accommodate Pike keeping the Enterprise OR taking a new ship, with a third option of no promotion for the specific purpose of a glimpse into an alternate future not intended to actually occur. Given that no time travel story survives close scrutiny, it’s best to go with the flow. Helps keep the blood pressure down. ;)
 
Embarrassing true confession time: As kids in the mid-seventies, my little brother and I had officially licensed Star Trek pajamas. His shirt was blue and mine was yellow. The science officer pajamas had dark blue pants, collar, and cuffs. The command pajamas had dark brown pants, collar, and cuffs. Those were some comfortable pajamas. Combine it with the AMT landing party expedition equipment model kit and you had a form of junior league cosplay.

Since they didn't come in red, Scotty fans were out of luck.
Parents didn't want their kids to die!
 
We don't even know what a "Fleet Captain" does. :lol:
It’s an old rank designation, used most predominantly in the Royal Navy (synonymous with “Captain of the Fleet”) as an intermediary between an Admiral and a fleet in which the Admiral is traveling. Ironically, there is more information about it in the Wiki page as it relates to Science Fiction usages than there are about it IRL. :lol:
 
Spock: I would posit that, in this present, you were never injured in the training accident, thus you remained captain of the Enterprise, putting you in charge at a crucial moment in the ship's existence.

Spock is engaging in supposition based upon his impressions of the accident from the mindmeld. Spock's suppositions are not necessarily accurate in all respects. Pike's vision of the future given to him by the Boreth time crystal may not include "future memories" of having been promoted to Fleet Captain or having turned over command of the Enterprise before the accident, only the incident, the cadets involved, and the horrific outcome to Pike, himself.

Nothing requires a fleet captain to give up command of a vessel. The chronology can easily accommodate Pike keeping the Enterprise OR taking a new ship, with a third option of no promotion for the specific purpose of a glimpse into an alternate future not intended to actually occur. Given that no time travel story survives close scrutiny, it’s best to go with the flow. Helps keep the blood pressure down. ;)

It doesn't work even as supposition by Spock, though, and the chronology can't actually accommodate it, much less "easily."

Why not? Because we know from Spock's dialogue in "Menagerie" that he served under Pike for 11 years, 4 months, and 5 days, and that the events of "The Cage" were 13 years ago. So, even if "The Cage" were Spock's very first mission under Pike (we know it wasn't, but let's say), that's a difference of 20 months.

We could try to fudge that a bit more... but even if we assume—since Spock's not being more precise about the 13 years—that "Menagerie" is very early in 2266 (notwithstanding that it's seven episodes later than "Balance of Terror," which this episode of SNW tells us is also in 2266), and that "Cage" was very late in 2253, so 13 on the calendar is only, say, 12.1 in time elapsed, that's still a difference of at least nine months.

Yet in this episode, Spock says the accident was just six months ago.

IOW, Spock ceased serving under Pike a bare minimum of 9 months earlier—more plausibly about two years earlier—when Pike was promoted. Spock stayed with the ship, and Kirk assumed command. The accident had to come later. Spock would not and could not make any suppositions to the contrary.

Plus, as I noted upthread, when asked in "Menagerie" if he'd met Pike, Kirk said that yes, they met when Pike was promoted. If Kirk had inherited the ship from him due to the accident, then that remark would make no sense. Starfleet would have no reason to promote Pike after the accident... and even if it did so (just as some sort of "honorary" thing), Kirk would have known about Pike's injured status, so he couldn't possibly have been surprised by it.

If Pike's motivation for keeping command was somehow connected with avoiding the accident, then someone in this story could and should have said so. Otherwise, the internal logic falls flat.

And proclaiming that no time-travel story makes sense anyway, so we should just roll with it, not only gives the writers a very generous free pass but literally undermines the whole point of the episode. Some time-travel stories actually do have consistent internal logic. This one really should have.
 
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All in all, was the best episode of the season, and it addressed Pikes inner conflict over him knowing his fate. Was a great tie in to TOS revisiting the Balance of Terror. Thought the Romulan uniforms were done well, and the bridge too. Spock’s raised eyebrow on the Romulan reveal was spot on. I didn’t care for Kirk though. Not that I didn’t want to see him, just didn’t sell it to me. No mannerisms, no voice inflections. I did like them sparring over their command styles though. I would’ve liked to seen more Kirk/Spock interaction too. Let’s see more TOS characters, ships, and locales. Where are the Klingons? Bring back Kang and Koloth! 9/10.
 
We don't even know what a "Fleet Captain" does. :lol:

It's always been a bit nebulous, but my take on it for Trek was something like this: it's a title bestowed as a reward for great achievement and/or demonstrated prowess, and implies that in any gathering of starships for which no flag officer is present, any captain designated 'Fleet Captain' becomes the de jure 'senior officer' (regardless of actual seniority) and assumes overall command of the force.

I think that Picard would have been designated a Fleet Captain not long after assuming command of the Enterprise, and Kirk would have been a shoe-in had he not promoted to flag immediately after his five-year mission. Perhaps by the 24th century the title had fallen into disuse.
 
It's always been a bit nebulous, but my take on it for Trek was something like this: it's a title bestowed as a reward for great achievement and/or demonstrated prowess, and implies that in any gathering of starships for which no flag officer is present, any captain designated 'Fleet Captain' becomes the de jure 'senior officer' (regardless of actual seniority) and assumes overall command of the force.
So Pike can be promoted to Fleet Captain, with Kirk present. Then a few years later turn command over to him.
 
Absolutely, especially if Commodore Decker can command a starship.

Although I think Decker's rank in that episode was more to give him seniority over Kirk in order to give him dramatic license to assume command of the Enterprise over Kirk's objections.

And in my view, although it might be referred to as a promotion, I'd see it more like being 'awarded the title of Fleet Captain' rather than being 'promoted to Fleet Captain.'

It would be interesting to see it denoted as a sleeve rank, as well, if they wanted to make it an actual rank. Perhaps three solid braid stripes before hitting the shiny thick braid worn by Decker?
 
So Pike can be promoted to Fleet Captain, with Kirk present. Then a few years later turn command over to him.
Could be. At least, there's enough ambiguity to interpret it that way. But still not enough to have the actual transfer of command occur as a result of the accident.
 
Yet in this episode, Spock says the accident was just six months ago.
Butterflies.

You're making as much assumptions as we are. Nothing says Pike didn't turn down the offer to become fleet captain in the alternate timeline. Nothing also says he did either. That's why it's an assumption/theory.
 
Absolutely, especially if Commodore Decker can command a starship.

Although I think Decker's rank in that episode was more to give him seniority over Kirk in order to give him dramatic license to assume command of the Enterprise over Kirk's objections.

And in my view, although it might be referred to as a promotion, I'd see it more like being 'awarded the title of Fleet Captain' rather than being 'promoted to Fleet Captain.'

It would be interesting to see it denoted as a sleeve rank, as well, if they wanted to make it an actual rank. Perhaps three solid braid stripes before hitting the shiny thick braid worn by Decker?
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Not “Fleet Captain.”
 
"Behind this door is the most disturbing thing you'll see all day, and I'm not talking about the contents of your apple crumble."
 
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Not “Fleet Captain.”

But "Fleet Captain" in dialogue, IIRC. Garth was also a Fleet Captain too that was called both Captain and Fleet Captain. Promotion in responsibility and internal rank but still "Captain"? And Garth was badly injured as well. Maybe Fleet Captain is a bad luck rank? :)
 
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