This trues way too hard. The answer is every inconsistency is not time travel.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x09 - "All Those Who Wander"
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Correct - it is not necessarily, but it is not ruled out. If there are easier explanations, like lingo and names that are ultimately just the speakers choice of verbage, then it is not necessary. I think TOS is remarkably consistent and doesn't need much of this.
The only time travel I see is reading this stuff again and again for some 20 years, usually in topics where they shouldn’t be.
It has more than people think. And that's ok.
Though, my approach is more radical: these are stories told about real events from different points of view. So, any inconsistencies are due fallible memories.
Hope no one was taking a photograph! Or tracking George and Gracie! Or connecting them to the missing marine biologist!
The death of the unhoused man ("bum" is very classist) is actually not the issue as much as the fact that there was an unsecured phased energy weapon left floating around 1930s New York. Seems like the sort of thing that could really fuck up the timeline if it falls into the wrong hands!
The genius inventor of warp drive whom they taught the importance of not changing the timeline?
I mean, is it really so implausible the NX-01 would get named Enterprise without Cochrane suggesting it because of meeting Riker and Co.? I don't really see why this needs an explanation. Real life was already full of ships with that name even before ST was created.
What?
Again, if you choose to interpret the TOS timeline as having been changed in your headcanon, knock yourself out. But, it has not canonically been changed, and it's not accurate to canon or fair to other fans to use language that asserts your personal interpretation as an objective description of events.
So were the TNG crew in FC.
To be clear, Archer was never in any version the original Federation President. The barely-legible okudagram from "In A Mirror Darkly, Part II" established him as Federation President almost fifteen years after the UFP was founded.
Sounds like an interesting idea, and you should consider writing that fanfic. Just remember that it is, indeed, your fanfic and not canonically binding.
Hold on here. Saying that the United Earth Space Probe Agency is the same org as the Federation Starfleet is like saying the Ohio Naval Militia is the same thing as the United States Navy, or that the Ontario Ministry of Transportation is the same organization as Transport Canada.
Enterprise has UESPA and Starfleet Command on the same logo. I'm not sure if it's trying to say SFC is part of the UESPA or if UESPA is part of SFC
Either way the Borg episode of Enterprise is a prequel to TNG's Borg arc. Those Borg sent a signal to the Delta Quadrant that took around 200 years to reach there, the 24th century.
They may be referring to the Borg debris.
Either way the Borg episode of Enterprise is a prequel to TNG's Borg arc. Those Borg sent a signal to the Delta Quadrant that took around 200 years to reach there, the 24th century.
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It's a temporal causality loop. The events of FC lead to the Borg drone incident in ENT which results in the signal being transmitted to the Delta Quadrant that the Borg in TNG are responding to when Q throws the Enterprise-D into the path of the Cube. Elegant if convoluted, but then "elegant if convoluted" might as well be Star Trek's official motto.
Well the Borg were already in the Beta Quadrant as of the end of Season 1, they destroyed the Neutral Zone outposts. That Cube my have been unrelated.
Either way "it's an alternate timeline" doesn't apply. The producers themselves said the ENT story was meant to be the trigger for official first contact between Starfleet and the Borg Collective in TNG so our theories don't really amount to much. The Hansens' covert mission to study the Borg might be taken into account but that can be factored in without changing anything about what caused which event.
Department of Temporal Investigations and crews like the Relativity called and would like their relevance back.
These parties have been established, as have the Watchers, and so surely any change would then be unwritten by them.
Therefore the causality loop mentioned above is meant to happen and there has been no significant timeline change
Boom - Trek Logic'd
These parties have been established, as have the Watchers, and so surely any change would then be unwritten by them.
Therefore the causality loop mentioned above is meant to happen and there has been no significant timeline change
Boom - Trek Logic'd
But that's the United Earth Starfleet, not the Federation Starfleet. The UESF is not the same as the Federation Starfleet, just like the Massachusetts State Navy was not the same organization as the United States Navy.
In-universe this might mean UESPA was a thing for a bare minimum of 200 years, from 2067(the Friendship One warp probe has a UESPA symbol on it) to 2267, the first season of TOS.
Well, the episodes where Kirk said he was part of UESPA were written before the writers came up with the idea for the Federation and before they called Kirk's space service "Starfleet." Those early TOS episodes also referred to the Enterprise as a United Earth starship. After the writers created the Federation, Starfleet was referred to as being the Federation Starfleet, and the Enterprise was referred to as a Federation starship. So while the "United Earth Space Probe Agency" set decoration was clearly a tip of the hat to those early TOS episodes from the Star Trek: Enterprise art department, I am inclined to argue that the creation of the Federation and Starfleet by the TOS writers constituted a retcon -- the 1701 was never a United Earth starship, and Kirk was always a commissioned officer of the Federation Starfleet rather than a commissioned officer of the United Earth Starfleet.
Well, if we're going to try to reconcile the use of UESPA in early TOS S1 with literally the rest of the canon, I do think the best option is author Christopher L. Bennett's idea from his Rise of the Federation novels -- that the space services of the founding Federation Member States continued to exist within the Federation Starfleet as operational divisions of it: UESPA became the exploration division of Starfleet, the Andorian Guard became the defense division of Starfleet, etc. Personally I'd rather just ignore the TOS references to UESPA, but if you're gonna try to rationalize it I think that's the best way.
It just comes down to "Eh, close enough." That line is so variable between fans. For some, any inconsistency requires an explanation. Others, it gets filed under "YATI" and on we go. I think it says as much about the fan as it does the details they pick up on in the show, and the ones that get glossed over.
You really haven't watched any actual Star Trek series have you.
Do we? If so, we must also know that:
- Saavik went from looking like Kirstie Alley to Robin Curtis
- Tuvok had human ears in The Undiscovered Country
- Ezral, Odo and Colonel West look and sound incredibly similar
- Sarek and the Romulan Commander look identical
- Ann Mulhall and Miranda Jones look identical
- Nick Locarno and Tom Paris look identical
- Lieutenants Leslie and Galloway were resurrected without explanation
- Trill completely changed their appearance
Among many, many other examples.
A far simpler explanation is that these are just retellings of stories, and that visuals are simply a matter of convenience.
