Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x08 - "The Elysian Kingdom"

[Quantum21]

I have to give these producers credit for trying hard, but this episode only partially works. It's really hard to take a retro-fanciful TOS episode that seriously. The rationale is a bit tenuous too, and the resolution just doesn't ring true for any fathers out there that I can think of. So ultimately just a 6/10.

 

[Oddish]

The rationale is a bit tenuous too, and the resolution just doesn't ring true for any fathers out there that I can think of.

I could understand it happening much later, after many failed efforts, no other solution forthcoming, and with Rukia's hourglass down to its last grains of sand (transporter or no). But having the subplot resolve so soon after it was established never quite sat right with me.

 

[Tuskin38]

It almost felt like they didn't know if they were getting a season 2 when they decided it.

 

[Mudd]

This is the kind of thing that gets left unresolved when a show is canceled suddenly, which SNW would have been in such a case.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

This is the kind of thing that gets left unresolved when a show is canceled suddenly, which SNW would have been in such a case.

Sort of like the B5 sequel series, Crusade. With nobody ever finding out how the Drakh plague was dealt with (and yet it obviously had to have been dealt with, given the B5 series finale).

Thankfully, SNW lives on. Indeed, the only ST series to date that haven't been allowed to run to either planned completion or to self-cancellation have been TOS, TAS, and ENT.

Kind of surprising, the fate of Crusade: JMS had loaded B5 with every possible contingency plan for early cancellations, non-renewals, and actor departures, but he must have gotten overconfident with Crusade.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Making Benny Russell real and a fantasy writer has a lot of weird implications. It means he made a wildly successful children's book that people are still reading centuries later but it means he never got to do DS9 or continue in pulp sci-fi. Which is a weird bit of continuity derived from an Easter Egg but actually has a lot of depressing implications.

 

[HotRod]

Making Benny Russell real and a fantasy writer has a lot of weird implications. It means he made a wildly successful children's book that people are still reading centuries later but it means he never got to do DS9 or continue in pulp sci-fi. Which is a weird bit of continuity derived from an Easter Egg but actually has a lot of depressing implications.

Don't overthink it.

 

[Oddish]

Making Benny Russell real and a fantasy writer has a lot of weird implications. It means he made a wildly successful children's book that people are still reading centuries later but it means he never got to do DS9 or continue in pulp sci-fi. Which is a weird bit of continuity derived from an Easter Egg but actually has a lot of depressing implications.

I like to think that he got to the end of a long, dark tunnel. He recovered from his injuries, was released from his confinement, married Kasidy's counterpart, and wrote a special story for their child that became a beloved institution.

Meanwhile, the two bastard cops ran dead-on into the Civil Rights era, got thrown in the clink for police brutality, and wound up sharing a cell block with quite a few of their former victims. And Incredible Tales, deprived of its best writer, went bankrupt.

 

[Beckler]

This episode was complete trash. 0.5/5. Its only redeeming point was the doctor's initial "What the hell?" on the bridge - not sure why that's so funny but it was the very best delivery! Reasons why episode is otherwise terrible:

• Fantasy episode super boring and childish - the show is meant for adults not 6 yr. olds.
• Characters being out of character isn't effective when it's so early in series and audience only slightly knows each character. This is obvious stuff producers don't understand.
• Underhanded but obvious attempt at legitimizing the human filth of religion. We don't need more of this BS in ST. It's boring, offensive (because all religion is abusive of human autonomy and rights), is done everywhere else and is plain cringeworthy anyway. ST is supposed to be religion/god unfriendly. It's science fiction, not some faith-fantasy genre. Even worse, the same attempt was made just a few episodes ago! (Don't recall which one.)

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Sort of like the B5 sequel series, Crusade. With nobody ever finding out how the Drakh plague was dealt with (and yet it obviously had to have been dealt with, given the B5 series finale).
Kind of surprising, the fate of Crusade: JMS had loaded B5 with every possible contingency plan for early cancellations, non-renewals, and actor departures, but he must have gotten overconfident with Crusade.

The network execs wanted to kill it off from the start because it wasn't attracting the same demographic as their other shows. It was lucky to get a dozen or so episodes. The series would have morphed into something beyond finding a cure for the Drakh plague at the end of season one.

 

[HotRod]

This episode was complete trash. 0.5/5. Its only redeeming point was the doctor's initial "What the hell?" on the bridge - not sure why that's so funny but it was the very best delivery! Reasons why episode is otherwise terrible:

• Fantasy episode super boring and childish - the show is meant for adults not 6 yr. olds.
• Characters being out of character isn't effective when it's so early in series and audience only slightly knows each character. This is obvious stuff producers don't understand.
• Underhanded but obvious attempt at legitimizing the human filth of religion. We don't need more of this BS in ST. It's boring, offensive (because all religion is abusive of human autonomy and rights), is done everywhere else and is plain cringeworthy anyway. ST is supposed to be religion/god unfriendly. It's science fiction, not some faith-fantasy genre. Even worse, the same attempt was made just a few episodes ago! (Don't recall which one.)

I'm gonna take a guess and say you're not a big fan of TOS.

 

[Mudd]

The network execs wanted to kill it off from the start because it wasn't attracting the same demographic as their other shows. It was lucky to get a dozen or so episodes. The series would have morphed into something beyond finding a cure for the Drakh plague at the end of season one.

Also, it was terrible.

 

[cooleddie74]

This episode was complete trash. 0.5/5. Its only redeeming point was the doctor's initial "What the hell?" on the bridge - not sure why that's so funny but it was the very best delivery! Reasons why episode is otherwise terrible:

• Fantasy episode super boring and childish - the show is meant for adults not 6 yr. olds.
• Characters being out of character isn't effective when it's so early in series and audience only slightly knows each character. This is obvious stuff producers don't understand.
• Underhanded but obvious attempt at legitimizing the human filth of religion. We don't need more of this BS in ST. It's boring, offensive (because all religion is abusive of human autonomy and rights), is done everywhere else and is plain cringeworthy anyway. ST is supposed to be religion/god unfriendly. It's science fiction, not some faith-fantasy genre. Even worse, the same attempt was made just a few episodes ago! (Don't recall which one.)

 

[Oddish]

Fantasy episode super boring and childish

While it was far from my cup of tea, I didn't see it as particularly child-oriented.

Characters being out of character isn't effective when it's so early in series and audience only slightly knows each character

Ok, this is true. But, TNG and DS9 both had first season "everyone's acting weird" episodes too.

Underhanded but obvious attempt at legitimizing...

That's funny, it kind of looked like a fairy tale to me.

because all religion is abusive of human autonomy and rights

While the atheistic Soviet regime was a paragon of respect for human dignity and freedom. Yeah, I get it.

The main issue I had with this one is that it resolved the issue with M'Benga's kid only a few episodes after it was established. It seemed to me like they could have explored it a little more than that.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Is that a spoiler for what ultimately happens to Shaw sometime after PIC 3x03?

 

[fireproof78]

Is that a spoiler for what ultimately happens to Shaw sometime after PIC 3x03?

 

[cooleddie74]

Well played.

 

[Ovation]

This episode was complete trash. 0.5/5. Its only redeeming point was the doctor's initial "What the hell?" on the bridge - not sure why that's so funny but it was the very best delivery! Reasons why episode is otherwise terrible:

• Fantasy episode super boring and childish - the show is meant for adults not 6 yr. olds.
• Characters being out of character isn't effective when it's so early in series and audience only slightly knows each character. This is obvious stuff producers don't understand.
• Underhanded but obvious attempt at legitimizing the human filth of religion. We don't need more of this BS in ST. It's boring, offensive (because all religion is abusive of human autonomy and rights), is done everywhere else and is plain cringeworthy anyway. ST is supposed to be religion/god unfriendly. It's science fiction, not some faith-fantasy genre. Even worse, the same attempt was made just a few episodes ago! (Don't recall which one.)

Well that’s certainly…an opinion.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Poor Shaw, what the hell is that, where did you pinch it from?

His final fate to be inside what looks like a an armored coffee mecha

 

[cooleddie74]

IG-12 from Season 3 of The Mandalorian. The droid was turned into a mecha for Grogu.