they were supposed to ravage planets with them a couple of times.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x06 - "Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach"
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It takes them a while to vaporize Apollo's Temple. I mean, yeah, the locus of power for an alien with deity-like abilities but still.
which could have been shielded as well.
So it has been claimed. And they ravaged a planet...when?
Doesn't Starfleet have some rule against this kind of thing?
If you want to play "Superman can beat the Hulk because..." well, go ahead. The action in "The Apple" is just preposterous, and the logic of the show is among the weakest of the series up to that point.
Surely the Terran empire did it many times. And the ship was supposed to be more or less equivalent.
The logic seems pretty clear.
Point 1) Vaal was trying to destroy the enterprise, attempts at negotiating failed due to its total refuse to negotiate;
Point 2) Vaal had been keeping its subjects as slaves, barring them any form of development or free will, for thousands of years.
Ergo: Vaal needed to be stopped.
Vaal needed to be prevented from destroying the Enterprise or harming Federation citizens. But once it was possible for Kirk and his crew to escape, they should have done so and leave the Vaalians alone. Alien cultures have a right to sovereignty and Kirk had no right to impose his culture's values on them.
Actually if you go by the dialog of TOS S1 - A Taste Of Armageddon, Starfleet has a specific general order FOR it...
General Order 24
Yeah, and Scotty never once flinched and asked what General Order 24 was. Apparently at some point between 2161 and 2267 some brass at Starfleet Command and in the civilian leadership of the Federation felt that threatening to obliterate the entire inhabited surface of a planet within a time limit if a starship's commanding officer has not reported in as being safe and alive was a legitimate option. But after Sarek and Admiral Cornwell conspired to set off a freaking bomb inside Qo'noS in a threat to destroy the entire Klingon Homeworld I can buy that being a thing.
Starfleet gets dark when it wants.
Starfleet gets dark when it wants.
Enough of this grimdark 60's Trek!!!!
I for one like a Starfleet willing to get that dark. It's not some Coast Guard running around trying to fix the galaxy's deep-seated problems handing out brochures. It's a fleet of heavily-armed ships with advanced defensive technology.
Throughout history a big navy with huge guns has always preceded being a dick to others.
Throughout history a big navy with huge guns has always preceded being a dick to others.
We do this. we sacrifice certain members of our society so we can cure the diseases of the aging wealthy populations. the ancients sent their children through the fire to Molech so he would bring them wealth. He was the Rainmaker.
I believe they like to call it having the bigger stick.I for one like a Starfleet willing to get that dark. It's not some Coast Guard running around trying to fix the galaxy's deep-seated problems handing out brochures. It's a fleet of heavily-armed ships with advanced defensive technology.
Throughout history a big navy with huge guns has always preceded being a dick to others.
Commander Riker claims he can confirm.
No thanks: I get enough of that from nearly every other sci-fi show, plus, y'know, real life.
Treks never been afraid of going "dark", so why should it start now?
Sometimes darkness can show you the light...
....someone should write a song about that.
....someone should write a song about that.
Indeed. I didn't grow up with fairy tale escapism in my TOS always. It was sometimes dark and tragic. I don't want Trek to shy away from it.
No interstellar organization like Starfleet or the Federation comprised of species that just a few generations or even decades earlier were engaged in warfare with other races is going to suddenly embrace clean, smooth behavior like not threatening other worlds with devastating retaliation or never firing first. In a galaxy with enemies like the Klingons, Romulans and Borg being the nice guy who never bends the rules or acts in a morally questionable way is not the route to success and long-term survival.
You and I obviously failed escapism 101
Oh, I can have lots of fun watching people in tight-fitting shirts and ray weapons fly around space helping people but I have that nasty habit of realizing nobody becomes a saint living in a utopia a century after they're blowing themselves up with bombs. 