Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x05 - "Spock Amok"
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Sounds a little too Revolutionary France. And we know how that turned out.
The Croissan'wich?
Yeah. Total disaster.
Yeah. Total disaster.
If you're going to take issue with one line here and there as evidence of total canon disrespect - how about:I haven't read through the thread so some of what I write might be repetitive, but here goes:
Three quick points:
1) I distinctly remember Chapel saying to Spock in TOS: ‘What are little girls made of’ — “Mr. Spock, have you never been engaged?” Perhaps she was teasing him, but I'm guessing SNW has no compunction throwing MOST canon out the airlocks. More on that later. Anyway, who knows…they’re definitely establishing a close friendship between Chapel and Spock in SNW BEFORE Kirk ever shows up. The scene between Spock and Chapel in Amok Time in Spock's quarters was definitely unique in TOS in showing a somewhat closer friendship between them... there was pretty much nothing like that afterward.
2) They’re setting up the complexity and push-pull dynamic of the long distance relationship betw Spock and T’Pring because we all know where it’s going. This gives her character in Amok Time as well as their relationship in that episode just that much more emotional heft bc I really like this T'Pring and understand her. That throwaway line in the first episode where she says to Spock -- "everything can be done on Vulcan" (paraphrasing) and Spock then gives her an odd look... yep. T'Pring is in for a ride she won't like and my heart is already breaking for them both because THIS Spock is deeply infatuated by her.
3) I'm fairly concerned with the timeline of this whole Christine Chapel thing. Have they already retconned Roger Korby? Something doesn't seem right because in "What Are Little Girls Made Of" (TOS) where they finally find Korby, Jim Kirk says to Chapel that the last message they had received from Korby was 5 years ago. If we're talking the 3-year window of TOS set between 2265-2270, and the current SNW season is set in 2259, then they should have already met and already be engaged. If not, then either they've retconned Korby completely or there isn't much time for her to meet him, get engaged and LEAVE SF, and THEN GET BACK IN and start looking for him on Kirk's Enterprise?! Ugh. Maybe that is what Chapel was going to tell Ortegas at the end of the episode but held back 'cos it's kind of a secret? That she'd already met someone she's fallen deeply for? Or maybe she was thinking of Spock? Who knows? I'm just sick of canon issues that abound in these shows. I wish they could be a little more careful 'cos guessing takes away my enjoyment of the show a bit just because I'm that much of a canon whore
4) I did give it an 8 because it was such fun, but I'm watching it like a hawk for yaknowwhat
TOS S1 - Tomorrow Is Yesterday:
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/21.htm
FELLINI: I am going to lock you up for two hundred years.
KIRK: That ought to be just about right.
^^^
So yeah, TOS takes place in the 22nd century - circa 2166...oh, wait...
TOS S1 - The Squire of Gothos
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/18.htm
TRELANE: Ah, monsieur. Vive la gloire. Vive Napoleon. You know, I admire your Napoleon very much.
(Note Napoleon Bonaparte: 1761 - 1821)
TRELANE: I can't tell you how delighted I am to have visitors from the very planet that I've made my hobby. Yes, but according to my observations, I didn't think you capable of such voyages.
JAEGER: Notice the period, Captain. Nine hundred light years from Earth. It's what might be seen through a viewing scope if it were powerful enough.
TRELANE: Ah, yes. I've been looking in on the doings on your lively little Earth.
KIRK: Then you've been looking in on the doings nine hundred years past.
TRELANE: Oh, really? Have I made an error in time? How fallible of me. Oh, I did so want to make you feel at home. I'm quite proud of the detail.
So yeah - TOS takes place in the late 27th to early 28th century...(between 2661 - 2721)...oh wait...
Man, GR and the folks who went on to make the TOS feature films IGNORED canon setting everything in the 23rd century and compounding it by setting TNG, DS9, and VOY in the 24th century...we have LINES of canon dialogue stating the timeframes TOS takes place in...HOW DARE THOSE UNCARING BASTARDS IGNORE THEM! (They all must have HATED Star Trek)...
Not a word. We were given no indication of her career choice or family history, other than she and Spock were important enough for T'Pau to show up to officiate at their wedding ceremony.
So she goes from a loud care free nurse who knows as much as a doctor and is having sex everywhere to a mousey quiet reserved nurse who barely talks or takes medical initiative and can barely talk to Mr Spock all in 8 years?Yeah that's happened to a load of people I've known. Lol
Not my fault you don't know anyone like that. 
Good thing T'Pau didn't bump into Kirk when he brought Spock and McCoy to Mt Seleya for the re-fusion. She'd be all, like, "What the vulc! Spock killed you!"
It does happen to people. Some might claim that something similar happened to me. Albeit this doesn't happen naturally, there's usally an extremely traumatic event (or more likely several traumatic events) that end up having permanent repercussions that make someone like that.
I agree it's a stretch if nothing happens to Chapel between now and TOS in future episodes. However, if they give her the full DS9 "O'Brien must suffer" treatment across multiple episodes, then...
Well see i guess we'll see.
Trauma can do a lot to a person. After what happened with me 5 years ago, I am much more sad all the time, much less outgoing, and way more prone to suicidal thoughts. It also has made me more wary of doing harm and so I try (but still fail) to be more cautious when dealing with people. I also have very little ability to maintain anger. Going back into this Star Trek board has allowed me to feel "unimportant" passion. To think about things that mostly don't matter because it's mostly around people who do not exist.
Canon says Spock is married to Savvik and I think this show will stick and to the best it can to end things that will pick of perfectly from the start of TOS and TOS made it clear that Spock could never return her feelings.
I will also have to say poor Chapel too, I think her fate could be just as terrible since emotional pain is just as bad as physical pain that Pike will be in. Regardless the whole point of this show for Chapel own story is to address why she has a major bone for spock in tos and that story can only go one way now in SNW.
they had a thing when they were younger but spock breaks it off because it is too much emotional baggage. chapel remains heart broken and we will end up seeing her in romance with a woman, (although it been Ortega will be too predictable at this point) but she does meet and find new love again with Roger Kirby but still never got over Spock, hence her love lorn thing in TOS.
this is 90% of what will likely happen but I am not sure if it will be well received because it makes Spock look like a total jerk in TOS and will make Chapel look worse here due to her pinning for a guy. not to mention Spock at least let himself feel something Zarabeth at a llater age but cant like Chapel again?
Spock also still has to meet Leia in SNW, another hot blonde chick, so where does Chapel fit in all of this and also, Tpring is still around because we know Spock never ended the marriage as seen in Amok time.
Although be that as it may, I still think the writers made a huge mistake to address the spock/chapel thing so quick in season 1. it should have been a last season story. if SNW goes on for 5 seasons, it will mean Chapel had a thing for Spock for like 15 years and it never worked out.
That is a terrible fate
I wonder who Spock ultimately married. The shows or movies never named her. I wonder if he had kids.
Good question, although I will go with Savvik. Many cannon books and expanded star trek story seem to support this.
I have however seen some fans like to guess Uhura and there are many fan art of an old tos spock and uhura together, however I think this is more influenced by the kelvin films and that ship been very popular that it does spill to TOS fan writers and artist.
My take is, I think this Spock ended up alone, when we see him in the unification episodes in TNG he just feels like a single elderly man still doing star fleet duty.
we also see him in star trek 2009 when he talks to Kelvin Spock , one thing I picked up on his speech to kelvin speck about doing what feels rights, it felt like a spock that had some regrets and did not want to younger kelvin spock to have the same fate. Maybe spock felt he should have never let Leia Kemoni go or given Chapel a chance to love him.
lastly we see him die in Star Trek Beyond.
So I do think Spock like Kirk ended up alone but Savik is his official wife in trek lore.
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Who says Spock EVER married?
Kirk was at one of Spock's weddings too; and we all know how THAT turned out...
Sprog and Spork.
Who says Spock EVER married?
Kirk was at one of Spock's weddings too; and we all know how THAT turned out...
In TNG Picard states he was at spocks wedding.
No, he said Sarek's son. It was never said to be Spock onscreen, although Spock's page on the official Trek website says that it is him.
