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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x05 - "Spock Amok"
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TOS is the series that came up with the fight to the death to break an engagement. Not exactly logical. DS9 season 7 absolutely murdered them so we shall not speak of those episode abominations, but the Vulcan in The Maquis added some depth in that it showed Vulcan logic can be applied to support a variety of different values. And it plays off Sarek and Gambit.
Vulcans build orthodoxy around logic and emotional suppression because they are afraid of themselves not controlling their emotions. They look down on humans for the same reason humans do Ferengi, they see in them a side of their own history they are ashamed of. Spock’s injection of human emotion started to make them realize they no longer have anything to worry about, they can accept their emotional sides without becoming savages again. And Nevar is the end result of that transformation.
Same with T’Pol, she lived believing emotions lead to violence, then lost sone of her ability to control her emotions and found it didn’t make her any more violent after all.
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It depends what you mean by "logical". Spock uses the word extemely broadly, fror instance.
But in any case it's irrelevant. Amok Time, or TOS in general, doesn't show Vulcans throwing away logic whenever it's not convenient. Observance of old traditions doesn't change that.
Fortunately, this exchange only took place in YOUR head.
If the tradition is inherently illogical, yes it does. And did Spock not throw away logic when he burned off the rest of the shuttle’s fuel?
Later shows don’t show Vulcans “Throwing away logic”, just accepting emotions aren’t inherently the enemy of logic.
In real life, humans who have brain damage that inhibits their emotions do not become perfectly logical. They have trouble making basic decisions. You need emotions to figure out the best, most moral way to apply logical decision making, and various incarnations of Trek show the Vulcans’ journey toward realizing that.
The Aenar were supposed to be strict pacifists as well, so Hemmer's presence is that much more a mystery. Plus, weren't the Aenar on the edge of extinction, with a single, isolated city and only a few thousand of them left?
Yeah, there were so few Aenar by the time of their discovery living in the remote icy wastes in 2104 that there were just a few thousand left and I wonder how they fit into the Andorian hierarchical structure and code of basic civil rights. They were legends for generations and suddenly became very real, yet remained isolated and separated from the rest of Andorian society for another half-century if not longer. Maybe Shran marrying an Aenar woman and having a daughter with her was the event that broke the dam wide open.
Ironically, your logic here is both invalid and unsound. Not only is this ritual not illogical per se, but even if it were, it's not illogical observe an illogical tradition -- there could be several other reasons to do so.
Considering that it was the only option that could possibly save them, no.
I was refering to your largely true statement to the effect that later Trek shows made Vulcans seem more opportunistic (dare I say cynical) in their application of logic.
Hmm- I totally missed that, although you could sort of see it coming in that episode. Did that happen in one of the novels?
Awkwardly enough in the series finale, "TATV..." Shran's hybrid daughter is kidnapped on Rigel X and that's the impetus for the mission that gets Trip killed.
Oh hell, I totally forgot that. Probably because my head canon is constantly trying to shoot TATV right out of my brain-pan...
Mine, too, my friend. Mine, too.
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The true finale of Enterprise, complete with Archer's founding of the Federation speech and the end of the Romulan War:
That makes Malcolm the Darth Vader. Darth Armory.
I didn't get that impression. The only thing the Council was adamant about was making sure they provided the need material (Zenite to combat a plague) to another member world. Kirk's biggest threat was that the Federation Council wouldn't look favorably on a world that DIDN'T meet its obligation to another member world.
BUT - Throughout the episode Kirk stated he had to abide by the laws and edicts of Ardana's High Council - and when BOTH he and Spock broke those edicts; and other crewmembers wanted to assist they BOTH said no because it would be a court martial offense.
Also, Kirk mentioned he had visited the planet before. So, no, I don't think it was a case of the Federation being unaware of what was going on, on Ardana - it was a case of perhaps they had something the Federation wanted/needed when they applied and as Kirk said in TOS S2 - "Friday's Child":
KIRK: "The Earth Federation offers one other thing, Akaar. Our laws. And the highest of all our laws states that your world is yours and will always remain yours..."
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So yeah, the idea that any member world had to attain Federation morals and cultural norms to become a member seems a TNG/24th century era change that was not a thing in the 23rd century or earlier.
OMG, that was fun! I love this show so much. Can't wait for next week.
Fantastic episode. Like, really, really good.
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