Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x04 - "Memento Mori"

[captainmkb]

And Zephram Cochrane was in the first episode of Enterprise, linking it to both the Next Generation and the original series.

well if we're going to start straying to that territory, Zefram Cochrane spinning ENT off from First Contact gives reason to presume that it's not a prequel to TOS - TNG - etc as because its a reboot (First Contact being the divergence point of an alternate timeline)

Um, no, it’s not a perfectly legitimate complaint. You’re writing a show set hundreds of years in the future, it’s a good idea not to use colloquialisms and phrases that are too much of the moment, haven’t been around long and likely won’t be. I mean, would you like them to incorporate modern day memes into the dialogue too? It’s easily avoided, too, without being stilted. When I hear a character cry “for the win!” it drags me right out of the scene.

"Tasha Yar's haircut is too 'Main Street USA'! How am I supposed to believe this is the future!?!?" .. oh sorry, i thought we were voicing outdated complaints from another century

 

[cooleddie74]

What's sad is that I did it from memory. Wikipedia just told me the order in which they were released.

I do the same things from memory so let's commiserate in agony together.

 

[Noname Given]

I wouldn't call TNG a spin-off of TOS because there was an 18 year gap between the two programs, and there were no characters from TOS who had a prominent role in TNG at the beginning, as McCoy has a cameo, and Spock and Scotty didn't appear until Seasons 5 and 6.

TNG was a almost direct continuation of TOS in that the basis for the majority of the characters that appeared in TNG were pulled from the aborted Star Trek Phase II TV series that was also used for ST:TMP.

Deanna Troi = Ilya

William Riker = Cmdr. Matt Deker

Etc.

Data was the Android from the failed Gene Roddenberry / Gene Coon pilot The Questor Tapes.

But aside from putting the series 80 years after TOS the majority of the setup was taken from Star Trek Phase Ii.

 

[AntonyF]

I enjoyed this and thought it was the strongest yet. The whole memorial badges thing, then shaming La'an for noth having one, just felt very odd and that I've missed something. But the core plot felt very Hunt for Red October/TNG Disaster which was great.

I think my only concern is how unprofessional some of the crew are. This is a military ship at the end of the day.

Ortegas I like but is a bit gobby, but I don't think any worse than say Tom Paris... but they need to watch she doesn't stray too far. I think they also get away with it just as she's a bit green.

Hemmer my issue was more episode 3, he was a bit better this week - but there's a difference between curmudgeonly and just that rude person in IT that no one likes and where nothing can be a straight answer.

But my main issue is Chapel. She's just very annoying, very inappropriate and I just don't know who would act like that in a medical setting. I just don't get why she's there.

But overall this show is a breath of fresh air amongst recent Trek.

 

[ToddCam]

See, when same fictional universe means spin-off, then the term has no meaning. O'Brien was a major on DS9. Quark and Morn were the only DS9 characters to appear on Voyager, and they were cameos only.

My initial spin-off example was Maude Findlay appeared on All in the Family then got the eponymous Maude. Florida Evans, a major character on Maude, spun off into Good Times. I did not include The Jeffersons because that was a separate spin-off from the original parent show.

 

[AntonyF]

Sequel/spin off talk...

The original designations used to be that TNG is a sequel to TOS, and that DS9 and VOY are spin-offs to TNG. Makes a certain amount of sense. The first is a time jump and the same creator. DS9 and VOY then are in the same time line as TNG and with Rick Berman as the key creator.

I would have no idea what to label the current stuff.

 

[ToddCam]

TNG was a almost direct continuation of TOS in that the basis for the majority of the characters that appeared in TNG were pulled from the aborted Star Trek Phase II TV series that was also used for ST:TMP.

Deanna Troi = Ilya

William Riker = Cmdr. Matt Deker

Etc.

Data was the Android from the failed Gene Roddenberry / Gene Coon pilot The Questor Tapes.

But aside from putting the series 80 years after TOS the majority of the setup was taken from Star Trek Phase Ii.

A retooling of an idea is also a spin-off? I mean, I know words have usages, not definitions, but there should be some parameters here.

TNG is a sequel. I'd say to be a spin-off, you need to be immediately after the end of the old show or run simultaneously, and have a character from the parent show continue into the new show as a major character.

 

[ToddCam]

What I would classify the Star Trek shows
TOS - the parent series
TAS - revival of TOS
TNG - sequel to TOS
DS9 - spin-off of TNG
Voyager - shared universe
Enterprise - prequel to TOS/all Star Trek
Discovery - prequel to TOS/shared universe
LDs - shared universe
Picard - sequel to TNG
Prodigy - shared universe/arguably sequel to Voyager
SNW - spin-off of Discovery

 

[NCC-73515]

Reminds me of "Jar Jar Abram"'s SW videos. One wonders if they're real fans or just trolls.

hundreds of his earlier videos (the ones he was known for before disco) show you how much of a fan he is

When La'an asked the girl what sound the "monsters" made, I was 1/2 hoping that it was going to be the wheezing noise from the Gorn in Arena as opposed to the click, click.

That appeared in the preview, and I so hoped we'd hear from the solanagen monks

My high school teacher must've thought I was mentally challenged when I spent a day in my Pakled speech phase.

I used a phrase from Trek in one of my English tests, and the teacher commented how impressive and elegant it was - told her it's from Trek - ruined it all

Trek's not set in "particular time period."

maybe, just maybe, rewatch some Trek, you know, like those that mention specific years perhaps...?

I want to see more of the Number One we saw on Discovery, who ordered a cheeseburger and fries covered with habanero sauce and sang Gilbert and Sullivan with Spock.

I'm having one each Wed in honor of Una's fabulous taste

 

[Belz...]

TNG was a almost direct continuation of TOS in that the basis for the majority of the characters that appeared in TNG were pulled from the aborted Star Trek Phase II TV series that was also used for ST:TMP.

Deanna Troi = Ilya

William Riker = Cmdr. Matt Deker

Etc.

Data was the Android from the failed Gene Roddenberry / Gene Coon pilot The Questor Tapes.

He also was similar to Xon, the vulcan from Phase 2. But other than those three, those were new characters. So not quite the majority, or even half. Sorry for the nitpick.

 

[GNDN18]

What's sad is that I did it from memory. Wikipedia just told me the order in which they were released.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

If I had to make a case for Voyager as a direct spin-off, then it would of DS9 (and a little bit of TNG) which did all the legwork with the Maquis for an entire season.
They didn‘t import specific characters but made us care about the Maquis situation before a single frame of Voyager was filmed.
There were several proto characters that can be seen as precursors to Voyager cast from both shows.
Besides the ethnic/cultural differences Chakotay could well have been Commander Hudson.
Their Starfleet background is virtually the same.
The Native Space American background came last minute from TNG.
Tom Paris was not really a Maquis member but they retconned Locarno into becoming one after his expulsion from the academy before changing his name but not bothering with a recast.
otherwise his backstory is intact.
In a different world Ro Laren could have easily filled Tuvok‘s role as a deep cover agent with a slight retcon or rewrite of her last TNG appearance. In any case her story established that Starfleet at this point inserted undercover agents for recon purposes into the Maquis paving the way for Tuvok.

So, while not directly featuring finalized characters, it is clearly rooted in established narrative and character work from TNG and DS9.

 

[wayoung]

Ortegas I like but is a bit gobby, but I don't think any worse than say Tom Paris... but they need to watch she doesn't stray too far. I think they also get away with it just as she's a bit green.

Why do people keep posting about how young Ortega (or La'an) is (are)?

They're both almost 40.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Why do people keep posting about how young Ortega (or La'an) is (are)?

They're both almost 40.

It feels like both characters are supposed to be younger than the actors playing them are. And they both look younger than their 38 years.

 

[wayoung]

It feels like both characters are supposed to be younger than the actors playing them are. And they both look younger than their 38 years.

There's been nothing to suggest they are young other than Ortega still being a lieutenant and we all know that rank is meaningless in Star Trek. Ortega has a history with Pike from before he took command of the Enterprise. La'an has been best friends with 50 year old Una for years (and is 3rd in Command). They just have good skin care routines. The only "young" character is Uhura.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

There's been nothing to suggest they are young other than Ortega still being a lieutenant and we all know that rank is meaningless in Star Trek. Ortega has a history with Pike from before he took command of the Enterprise. La'an has been best friends with 50 year old Una for years (and is 3rd in Command). They just have good skin care routines. The only "young" character is Uhura.

And Spock

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think my only concern is how unprofessional some of the crew are. This is a military ship at the end of the day.

Nah, at the end of the day it’s a TV show.

 

[StarMan]

Why do people keep posting about how young Ortega (or La'an) is (are)?

They're both almost 40.

<straight face> Almost 40 is young </straight face>

Are they really? If they're both "almost" 40, I really need to up my moisturising / exfoliating regimen.

 

[wayoung]

<straight face> Almost 40 is young </straight face>

Are they really? If they're both "almost" 40, I really need to up my moisturising / exfoliating regimen.

They're 38 and professional actors which means their appearance is a big part of their job, while having professional hair, make up and lighting crews focused solely on their appearance so

I'm also 38 and honestly I don't see them being all that out of line agewise from what I see on the dating apps. Us millenials generally aren't spending our days toiling in the fields under the glare of the sun. And these ones in particular supposedly work in space under entirely artificial light with a couple of hundred years of additional nutrition and moisturizing knowledge/tech.

 

[Nerys Myk]

But my main issue is Chapel. She's just very annoying, very inappropriate and I just don't know who would act like that in a medical setting. I just don't get why she's there.

Act like what exactly? A little flip and snarky at times? The nurse at my doctor's office does the same.