Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x04 - "Memento Mori"

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Black holes can be microscopic according to current theory, so I'm not seeing a problem. Not every black hole they encounter needs to be a galaxy gobbler.

Microscopic wormholes are theorized to exist, but if they do, they likely formed during the earliest days of the universe during rapid inflation.
Later matter distribution and pressure of the universe doesn’t allow it anymore.

There is a small black hole 1,500 light years from us. It is 3.8 times the mass of Sol and, according to Einsteinian equations, it would be 15 to 24 miles across.

NASA - NASA Scientists Identify Smallest Known Black Hole

Black hole is closest to Earth, among the smallest ever discovered (osu.edu)

How small can a black hole be? | symmetry magazine

And this is why. Stellar black holes need a minimum mass to form when a star dies. We can guesstimate the lower limit but don’t know exactly.

The actual body of the black hole is a few km wide on that lower end.
That jives with the episode I think.
But the problem is the accreditation disc, if it has one.
Not sure how wide that would be, cause it‘s still the mass of a star that it orbits around.
So either it must be very far out and not be very dense to give such a spectacular light show, or it‘s very close but extremely fast orbiting, like relativisticly fast. The hard radiation from that would cause a major problem for the Enterprise and her little stunt.
Imagine the mass of what is effectively a small star (the brown dwarf) being accelerated to near light speed and bombarding the ship.

 

[Oso Blanco]

I wonder what's going on with the stardates. They are jumping forwards and backwards ... I wonder if that's intentional?

 

[Noname Given]

I wonder what's going on with the stardates. They are jumping forwards and backwards ... I wonder if that's intentional?

Well it is the TOS era...

 

[Trekker4747]

I wonder what's going on with the stardates. They are jumping forwards and backwards ... I wonder if that's intentional?

It's aping off TOS which did the same thing.

 

[thribs]

It's aping off TOS which did the same thing.

It is weird. All the things that they should be improving from TOS they’re sticking with and everything else they change.
The Andorian makeup in another. It was better in Enterprise but they want a more TOS inspired look

 

[Brainsucker]

We seen Gorn in Lower Decks, so no.

Well, I haven't watch Lower Decks. So I don't know about that.

 

[Brainsucker]

Ugh, l I have read everyone else’s opinion on this episode this morning, I think that I must have watched a totally different episode to everyone else!?

What do you mean?

 

[Timofnine]

What do you mean?

Well, first of all I confused the cargo bay for main engineering… they looked the same on screen visually, hence my confusion. They both look like big empty Amazon warehouses as I have previously stated after watching last weeks episode where we first saw this visual representation of the Enterprises engineering section.

Secondly, as I was half asleep watching the episode I REALLY got confused and thought that both the colonists and the Gorn were not actually ‘real’. That it was a trap within a trap… a deadly trick or test by the Metron’s to see how the Enterprise would react to the situation when facing the Gorn to help them decide whether or not they should make first contact with the Federation. It could be the Metron’s version of the Kobayashi Maru which they put species through before opening diplomatic channels. Pike and crew must have failed this first contact though as the Metron’s didn’t even appear to him and the crew. They might have taken notes though for the next time that the Enterprise encounters them under the command of Captain Kirk. I think that Kirk might have also failed the Metron’s test when he faced them too… but hopefully in 1000 years the Federation will be ready to start diplomatic relations with the Metron’s!

This is my head canon until I rewatch the episode and find out that I TOTALLY got it wrong.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

But Nurse Chapel "It's like giving birth out your mouth". Totally different character to the soft, mild speaking one in TOS.

A bit like 20s me and 30s me.

 

[Trekker4747]

Uh, so you don't get everyone's reaction to the episode and think you must have watched a different one because you watched this one while semi-lucid and came up with your own bizarre thoughts on what was happening?

 

[Timofnine]

Uh, so you don't get everyone's reaction to the episode and think you must have watched a different one because you watched this one while semi-lucid and came up with your own thoughts on what was happening?

Probably!

 

[Vale]

I mean…we never saw the cargo bay in TOS but yeah, the Discoprise is easily bigger than the TOS Enterprise and the refit. By quite a bit too.

She's 53% longer than the TOS Enterprise (442m vs 289m), which – assuming all other proportions are more-or-less equal – means she has ~3.5× the interior volume.

 

[Belz...]

The black hole looked comically small.
So it must have been on the smallest scale a black hole can be.

Well, singularities can be theoretically any mass, but stellar ones have a minimum mass. The smallest stellar black holes (their event horizon, that is) are about 60 km in diameter.

It was in the process of consuming a brown dwarf, which accounts for the accretion disc.
Can someone give an estimate how fast the matter in the disc would be swirling around the BH and how dense the disc must be?

At the edge of the event horizon, just about the speed of light. Again, however, that'd be about 30km from the center.

 

[Stuart Wilson]

She's 53% longer than the TOS Enterprise (442m vs 289m), which – assuming all other proportions are more-or-less equal – means she has ~2.3× the interior volume.

It's 3.58 x the internal volume, 1.53x1.53x1.53. I think you only multiplied it twice.

 

[Belz...]

I guess I need to re-watch this one. It didn't grab me like it did everyone else. I just felt like we've seen this one before (a couple of times) and there is no real tension when you know everyone is going to survive.

Isn't that true of every episode of Star Trek?

Uhura dialogue was cringy

"Challenge accepted" was a bit much for me. Too specific to current memes.

Ship is way bigger than reported. Cargo bay was cavernous

To be fair, between the cargo bay and engineering there doesn't seem to be much else in the engineering section, but it fits.

Don’t you mean “La’an”? One is a beefcake superhuman with the emotional intelligence of a turnip, who communicates in grunts and squeaks. The other is a villain from Superman II.

"Non", not "Na'an".

 

[Cyrus]

Fantastic episode. Loved it.

Discovery haters probably weren’t thrilled with the Burnham voice cameo.

I was actually hoping to see a Gorn. I thought it would happen during the mind meld since Laan had said that she had seen them. But I guess Spock wasn’t supposed to see them so it couldn’t happen there.

 

[Vale]

It's 3.58 x the internal volume, 1.53x1.53x1.53. I think you only multiplied it twice.

...So I did At the time I thought it didn't look right as I've done that calculation before and posted extensively about starship volumetrics elsewhere, including how much bigger the DIS/SNW Enterprise is than the TOS version. Apparently this is what happens when you're running late and you're trying to multitask between multiple spreadsheets. I've corrected my original post.

 

[jackoverfull]

The music is muted and weak, sounds like it was done on a Casio, please hire a new artist to score this show. Thus far the music to me has been the weakest part of the,show

agreed. Best music in new Trek so far has been on Prodigy (great stuff on LDS too).

 

[jackoverfull]

Well, I haven't watch Lower Decks. So I don't know about that.

qe saw a GORN WEDDING (all caps), but they definitely weren’t friendly to the party crasher and no hint on wether they are in the federation, allies, enemies or whatever.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Am I the only one who thought the front part of that cargo ship looked like the Conestoga from 2069 as glimpsed in ENT? If so that was a good tip of the hat.

I think they were definitely going for an evolution of that design.

Also did anyone else see a resemblance to the Chig fighter in the small Gorn ship