Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x03 - "Ghosts of Illyria"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by Commander Richard, May 17, 2022.

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  1. thribs

    thribs Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Ha! But even in that new picture it’s missing the CV-6.
     
  2. cooleddie74

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    Trek always forgets some of the important Enterprises. The TNG observation room wall was missing two aircraft carriers, the ringship and the NX-01.
     
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  3. NCC-73515

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    They were probably screens showing a random slide show of ships :shrug:
     
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  4. cooleddie74

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    I do like that idea. I wish they did a new edit where the images did that.
     
  5. Annorax849

    Annorax849 Commander Red Shirt

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    That's kinda what I'm thinking. Especially considering the "instead of Terraforming" line implies they have multiple colonies. Who knows if they stay into the 24th century, but the ban is still around...
     
  6. dswynne1

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    My ONE quibble is Ortegas' hair. She needs to fade it up better. Might as well have a Moe haircut or something...
     
  7. thribs

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    Knowing this show, her haircut is part of her backstory.
     
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  8. Sparky

    Sparky Commodore Commodore

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    After the first 2 stellar episodes, upon first watch this one is a bit of a misfire. Nothing horrible, but not much really worth praising either, it all just fell flat into a jumble of....meh. The reveal of the heritage of Number One did absolutely nothing for me, the resolution to the crisis was weak, and the secret M'Benga was hiding was kind of silly and didn't resonate. I just had no reason to care about any of it. I did bump it up a point for the mention of augments, the discussion of La'an's heritage, and the spectacularly bonkers scene of Hemmer trying to beam up a piece of the mantle.

    As I'm writing this, I'm realizing that I just don't remember a lot of specifics from the episode. That is rather unusual for me, so I'm willing to entertain the idea that maybe I just wasn't in the right mood or frame of mind while watching it, and it was me that was meh, and not the episode. I'll give it another watch in a couple of days, to see if it hits differently the second time around.
     
  9. Jedi Marso

    Jedi Marso Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I have a feeling where we're rapidly moving to a place where we can safely say: "An average episode of SNW is better than the best episodes of other nu-Trek." At least, that's how I feel about it.

    Then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But, is there in truth no beauty? :vulcan:
     
  10. Richard S. Ta

    Richard S. Ta Commodore Commodore

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    You can safely say you'd think that.

    I couldn't disagree more. I find SNW to be (kind of pleasantly) vapid compared to DSC/PIC so far.

    As you say, it's all in the eye of the beholder. IDIC and all that.


    Hard disagree. Looks great and I'm considering it for my next hair-do. I've really grown my hair out over COVID lockdowns, but I like extreme styles like that. Something of The Expanse and the Belters about it.
     
  11. Cyrus

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    Loved the episode. Best one so far.
     
  12. Roboturner913

    Roboturner913 Commander Red Shirt

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    Incredible epsiode! Downright literary. I'm speechless. This ep should be up for a Hugo or something
     
  13. Timofnine

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    I have been battling with the inconsistencies of Stardates a lot in my head recently. I just can’t find an overarching pattern, consistency or actual any sense to them. I wish that this could all have been finalised and worked out properly by the production staff over the years as it is all quite frustrating.

    hopefully a standardised stardate system can be implemented for future Star Trek productions to give a sense of consistency?

    I even heard once that star dates change depending on where you are in the galaxy, maybe this is a a result of light travelling? So for example, the stardate on Earth and Vulcan would be different to the stardate on Alpha Centuri because the light reaching these systems would take different amounts of time to travel to them from other places, and thus give a different stardate from wherever this light is viewed from?

    Perhaps stardates should be recorded from one (or a combination of a few?) points of celestial reference. This (or these) reference point(s) can be combined with the actual local dates and time from nearby planetary perspectives? This combined number is not only a record of time, but also a record of space like coordinates (if more than one celestial body is used as a reference point as previously mentioned). It could be like an intergalactic x and y axis grid (space) combined with time. It would need more than an x and y axis though as space is not 2D, it is actually 3D.
    Stardates could be:

    x, y, -x, -y, *local date and time*, *time it takes for light to travel from point A*,*Time it takes for light to travel from point B*

    This could be put in any order just like how around our planet in different places we change the order of the date:

    2022, 05, 20
    20, 05, 2022
    05, 20, 2022

    :shrug:
     
  14. KamenRiderBlade

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    You can't make any consistency because there are too many cooks in the kitchen messing with the StarDate increments.

    https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Stardate

    The only consistentency is that the First 3 Digits Left of the Decimal Point seems to indicate which 'Day of the Year' AKA "Star Day"

    Any Digits Left of the First 3 Digits past the Decimal Point indicates the Star Year.

    But the Star year getting bunched up with the Star Date is hard to read and pronouncing it is a PITA (Pain In The Arse).

    Look at DISCO's StarDate 3190 AD = 865 783.7
    Look at VOY's __ StarDate 2379 AD = _ 56 947.0

    3190 AD - 2379 AD = 811 Year difference
    StarYear 865-56 = 809 Year difference.

    You can argue that Leap Year is screwing with things, but to be off by 2 years because of leap years in 800+ year time frame? I find that hard to believe.

    As for readibility, it's a Cluster Eff of digit soup.
    In my Head Canon, the ISO StarDate Version is updated to 5.0 to account for the differences that I introduce.

    ±S.Y / SDU ¦ STU = (±Star Year / Star Day Unit ¦ Star Time Unit)
    The “/” is described as “Slash” & “¦” is described as “Bar” which is short hand for (Vertical Broken Bar)

    I set the Starting Point for 0 of the StarDate to be:
    Earth Date = 2155/03-05 Wed 00:00;00.0 PST = Founding of Coalition of Planets

    The UFP formed from Jonathon Archer's founding of the "Coalition of Planets" and the day it was signed into existence.

    Ergo, my Star Year can have ± to indicate Before or After the "Official Starting Point" that led to the Founding of the UFP, the signing of the "Coalition of Planets".
    + = After Federation: After the UFP was formed/founded
    - = Before Federation: Before the UFP was formed/founded
     
  15. Timofnine

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    Why try to over complicate something that could be so simple though?

    Perhaps the production staff are just really bad at maths? Maybe someone *really* bad at maths like Elon Musk came up with the star dating idea on a whim? :shrug:
     
  16. Jedi Marso

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    Stardates are the one continuity thing I don't fret about. I just assume there is some voodoo there that makes it all work out to whoever is minding the records at Memory Alpha.
     
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  17. Jedi Marso

    Jedi Marso Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    That's: "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations" to you, baby! Shagadelic! Discovery SUUUUX! :evil:
     
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  18. Jedi Marso

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    Forgive my lack of Vulcan control. I'm celebrating my promotion to Rear Admiral after 21 years on the board. Indulge me. :mallory:
     
  19. Charles Phipps

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    I think one of the most interesting things about the ending isn't even the fact that Una nicely subverts the "everything is good, emotional problems resolved" ending Star Trek tends to have about characters. Una saying, "I'm one of the good ones" as a way undercutting the situation is both true to life and highlights the issue. It's also the fact that it shows how prejudice and systemic racism (genetic engineering bans here) destroy personal relationships.

    I 100% believe Pike does not give a crap about Una being an Illyrian and his reaction if this had come out the day before would be identical--possibly because he feels immortal but not at all because Una saved his ship. He's always been half in love with her from "The Cage" but know Pike is also the Paragon Shepherd of the setting before Captain Kirk. At least from DISCO onward. However, Una can't allow herself to be comfortable with that and allow herself to trust the person that probably cares for her most. Because that way can burn you.

    It's really tragic if you ship them like Beverly Crusher not believing Captain Picard that he has her back always.

    I also like the bait and switch with La'an. She's someone who has gone ALL IN on trying to assimilate to the greater culture to the point that she considers Augments to be monsters. Her ancestors either had their own genes degraded or they lost that over generations of interbreeding. Her fighting Una was basically like Wolverine fighting Scrappy Doo and that was good visual storytelling. It wasn't even a contest. Una just was playing keep away the entire time. It's a way of illustrating people dealing with generational trauma.

    Doubly so the accusation Una was lying due to the fact she "passes" as a human being.
     
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  20. Charles Phipps

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    Congratulations! It happened to me just recently too.