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[Fateor]

The plaque for the Leondegrance (a John Eaves design that is woefully anachronistic for the time period in which it was built) also says that the ship was on a five year mission to the Lesser Magellanic Cloud, which is utter nonsense.

Not really.

It could have been on a mission there as part of some sort of exchange with the Kelvan's.

You know, the people who were capable of altering the Enterprises engines so they could make the Trip to the Andromeda galaxy in 300 years.

 

[Artoo Atari]

It could have been on a mission there as part of some sort of exchange with the Kelvan's.

You know, the people who were capable of altering the Enterprises engines so they could make the Trip to the Andromeda galaxy in 300 years.

Don't tell Janeway.

 

[Dukhat]

Not really.

It could have been on a mission there as part of some sort of exchange with the Kelvan's.

You know, the people who were capable of altering the Enterprises engines so they could make the Trip to the Andromeda galaxy in 300 years.

So why didn’t Starfleet outfit all their ships that way then? And why did it only take 5 years instead of 300? And why wasn’t that spelled out on the plaque?

I call shenanigans on that idea.

 

[Fateor]

So why didn’t Starfleet outfit all their ships that way then? And why did it only take 5 years instead of 300? And why wasn’t that spelled out on the plaque?

I call shenanigans on that idea.

The same reason The Burn crippled the galaxy even though Dilithium was just used for power generation and there are a bunch of ways to generate the power for a warp drive without it.

 

[fireproof78]

No
...not... drama! I'm Star Trek? I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you.

 

[Turtletrekker]

No
...not... drama! I'm Star Trek? I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you.

Say It ain't so.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The same reason The Burn crippled the galaxy even though Dilithium was just used for power generation and there are a bunch of ways to generate the power for a warp drive without it.

Don't they mention and even use other methods in DISCO?

 

[fireproof78]

Don't they mention and even use other methods in DISCO?

They did. Beamite (sp? No doubt someone will correct me) were noted and I believe transwarp corridor was referenced. But, given the ubiquity of dilithium even with Romulans and across the galaxy it seems hard to replace.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Don't they mention and even use other methods in DISCO?

Book's ship had slipstream drive. This was established in the very first episode set in the 32nd century.

Quantum slipstream drive

The quantum slipstream drive (also informally called quantum drive or slipstream drive) was an advanced form of propulsion technology, first encountered by the USS Voyager in the Delta Quadrant, which had the capability of exceeding a starship's maximum warp factor by an unprecedented degree...

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[Fateor]

Don't they mention and even use other methods in DISCO?

Nope.

They have Booker make an offhand mention of nobody having benaimite crystals for Slipstream and that's it. (Which was another hilarious oversight on the writers part because benamite was only needed for the second Slipstream drive and not the original.)

The obvious one's were Fission (Like the Phoenix), Fusion (Like the DY-500 and Promellians), Aldentuim, and the singularities used by the Romulans.

 

[Dukhat]

The same reason The Burn crippled the galaxy even though Dilithium was just used for power generation and there are a bunch of ways to generate the power for a warp drive without it.

Not sure what that has to do with the Leondegrance’s five year mission to the Lesser Magellanic Cloud.

 

[Fateor]

Not sure what that has to do with the Leondegrance’s five year mission to the Lesser Magellanic Cloud.

The point is the writers will do whatever the writers want to do.

 

[Dukhat]

The point is the writers will do whatever the writers want to do.

And little tiny nonsense writing on a little tiny plaque that was not readable at all on screen can be easily ignored, no matter what the writers want to do.

 

[F. King Daniel]

IIRC, the old Stargazer novel series also went with the 2326 commissioning date, though there's a lot in those novels that doesn't really add up anyway. Like the Constellation class being described as "capital ships" which I would think in the time period they take place in (2330s) that term would apply to the Excelsior and Ambassador class ships. The novels also describe the crew quarters on the Stargazer as "apartments" and are described as being spacious enough to include a living room, separate bedroom and bathroom. Even though in The Battle we see Picard's Stargazer quarters were significantly smaller.

I read the first one or two of those, and was put off by how little it resembled the ship in the show. They had more officers working at stations on the bridge than there were stations on the set. They also mention the only shuttlebay being small and in the rear when it's massive, 4-decks tall and wide as fuck and at the very front.

I think MJF may have been going off the script for "The Battle" and been treating Stargazer as a Constitution-class ship, which is what she ws going to be until a change of plans in post-production.

 

[Dukhat]

I read the first one or two of those, and was put off by how little it resembled the ship in the show. They had more officers working at stations on the bridge than there were stations on the set. They also mention the only shuttlebay being small and in the rear when it's massive, 4-decks tall and wide as fuck and at the very front.

I think MJF may have been going off the script for "The Battle" and been treating Stargazer as a Constitution-class ship, which is what she ws going to be until a change of plans in post-production.

Yeah, I don’t think MJF even knew what the ship looked like despite artwork of it slapped right on the cover. He certainly didn’t know what a New Orleans class starship looked like.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah, I don’t think MJF even knew what the ship looked like despite artwork of it slapped right on the cover. He certainly didn’t know what a New Orleans class starship looked like.

It should have looked like this

 

[Noname Given]

It should have looked like this

That graphic takes me back.

 

[Tuskin38]

Which was another hilarious oversight on the writers part because benamite was only needed for the second Slipstream drive and not the original.

That's complete speculation, they never went into detail how the drive worked in 'Hope and Fear'.

So no, it wasn't an oversight for them to follow the only canon information available on how slipstream drives work.

If you want an actual legitimate oversight with on screen facts backing it up, it was said in Voyager that benamite crystals can be synthesized. In the 24th century it would take years, but surely by the 32nd Century they could have found a way a faster way to do it.

Nope.

Yes they did, they went through a transwarp corridor in one episode, it was filled with debris from ships which was one reason given why they weren't used often, mostly just by couriers like Book

Courier network

The courier network was a system of transwarp conduits in the 32nd century. They were extremely dangerous to traverse due to being filled with debris, and thus despite their name were mostly avoided, even by couriers. (DIS: "Su'Kal", "There Is A Tide...") In 3189, Kyheem conveyed a message to...

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and the singularities used by the Romulans.

That's also complete speculation, there's no dialogue on screen saying one way or the other if Romulan warp drives use dilithium.

We know Romulans did use dilithium in some way as they (i.e. Remans) mined it on Remus according to Nemesis.

Non-Canon, but Rick Sternbach's diagram for the Romulan singularity drive says it uses dilithium.

So why didn’t Starfleet outfit all their ships that way then? And why did it only take 5 years instead of 300? And why wasn’t that spelled out on the plaque?

I call shenanigans on that idea.

Then it was one of the other dozen ways ships have intentionally or accidentally travelled cross vast amounts of light years outside of a warp drive.

It's not far fetched at all to say they could of found a way there through some sort of anomaly, subspace corridor, an abandoned alien gateway or some shit.

If the Enterprise-A can magically travel to the centre of the Galaxy or V'GER to the far side of the Galaxy when leaving our solar system, then the Leondegrance can get to the LMC through some sort process that cannot be replicated elsewhere.

and there are a bunch of ways to generate the power for a warp drive without it.

AFAIK nothing with the power generating level of a matter/anti-matter reaction or a singularity drive, so they'd be limited to very slow speeds.

 

[Dukhat]

Then it was one of the other dozen ways ships have intentionally or accidentally travelled cross vast amounts of light years outside of a warp drive.

It's not far fetched at all to say they could of found a way there through some sort of anomaly, subspace corridor, an abandoned alien gateway or some shit.

If the Enterprise-A can magically travel to the centre of the Galaxy or V'GER to the far side of the Galaxy when leaving our solar system, then the Leondegrance can get to the LMC through some sort process that cannot be replicated elsewhere.

Then I will ask again: if the ship was given an official five year mission to the LMC by means other than conventional travel, and that means is no longer available, why isn’t that information on the plaque? The way the plaque is worded makes it sound like 200,000 ly travel and back was just routine, when it very clearly wasn’t.

 

[Tuskin38]

and that means is no longer available

Who says it isn’t? My theory was it can only go to the LMC and back

why isn’t that information on the plaque?

Because it’s not important.

The way the plaque is worded makes it sound like 200,000 ly travel and back was just routine

There’s nothing wrong with that.

If I say I’m going from Toronto to Berlin I don’t need to explain how I’m getting there.