Im just going off what I know of tng. 8000 light years would ge about 8 years travel time. By tng starfleet has been exploring for over 200 years. So it makes sense .
Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x09 – “300th Night”
The Enterprise travelled to Malcor which was 2000 light years from earth and we know it didn't take them 2 years to get there. We also know that it doesn't take 8 years to travel across the Federation. So either the amount space or the calculable speeds of warp travel is wrong.
Regardless, all this shows is that warp and distance are at the whims of the writers, especially in 90's trek.
As it always has been. Distances are extremely arbitrary inside Star Trek.
What?Technology doesn't always progress logically, linearly or predictably. If it did we'd be living on the Moon and traveling in flying cars.
Your year 2000 didn't look like this?
Sort of.
People always seem to forget however that traveler time is dependant on how well mapped out an area of space is.
True enough.
That's why in my dream Star Trek reboot I will be having a map of the galaxy in the writer's room, with strings and pins so people know how long things take.
*Kronk* Oh yeah; it's all coming together.
In the 22nd century we get from Earth to Qo'noS in four days' travel time. And that's with the warp technology from 100 years before Pike and Kirk.
Trek travel takes as long as the drama dictates. Period.
Trek travel takes as long as the drama dictates. Period.
I'm surprised you didn't like the last couple seasons. I
The Venari Ral stole those Omega mines did they not? That means that's Federation tech.
If the Feds got that tech then they should be at better footing in the Quadrant or even the galaxy.
The Athena already had experience with the Ral ship in the pilot so they should have been better prepared.
And I am not criticizing the writers or whatever, I am talking from the "in universe" perspective.
That timeline also had the Feds at war for 40 years. Manpower loss and all that. Same in the SNW 110 timeline.
Warp 4.xx maintained at a constant and beelining to Qo'nos the timeframe could be manageable.
The Federation are supposed to be the good guys. Good guys don't threaten people with weapons of mass destruction, either explicitly or implicitly, and they don't use them for offensive or imperialistic purposes. That invalidates the premise that having the tech means that they should be on better footing in the galaxy.
That said, it's arguably a character flaw that they even developed the weapons in the first place. They may have thought they were preparing to defend themselves if such weapons were ever needed. They seemed to have intended to keep the weapons secret. It's also arguably a character flaw that they didn't take their security more seriously.
I don't have any issue at all with the fuzzy travel time in Trek. I do, however, have major issues with the lack of an understanding of scale.
The galaxy is incredibly, incredibly huge. Within 100 LY of Earth, there's about 10,000 to 15,000 stars. Within 200 light years, there's about 100,000. And yet most "empires" in Trek are shown to have little more than a home planet and a ragtag collection of colonies with a few thousand people on them. Maybe a few remote bases. That's about it.
The logical conclusion from all of this is the Trekverse galaxy is like 99.99% empty, lifeless worlds we never see, and don't even show up on star charts. Or else the Trek galaxies don't resemble the real Milky Way at all, and are much more sparse. Because there should be orders of magnitude more...everything! More ships, more bases, more colonies, etc.
Exactly. I wish they would have made the threat a little more believable. With Trek you have to suspend disbelief. Comes with the territory. But sometimes it gets a little hard to do. I would have rather the threat be a bit smaller. Maybe Earth and a few surrounding planets. Making it this huge area in such a small frame of setup time is just silly. Again the story doesn't always have to be the biggest threat ever. Now again if it was a Q or something along those lines it would be more believable to the story because well a Q can almost do anything. And Manipulating time and space is one of their specialties.
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Those particular Birds of Prey were giant sized ones, similar to what we saw in TNG The Defector which were enough to convince a couple of Romulan D'Deridex Warbirds to back down.
It's also a longstanding issue I have with these shows that threats should escalate over time. This is particularly true in a YA format, where the first antagonist should be someone who's relatively underpowered, to make their defeat by a handful of kids somewhat believable.
I'll freely admit Braka's plan is a bit more small potatoes compared to some earlier seasons of modern Trek. But it's still a greater threat than was faced in 98% of TOS and TNG episodes.
The example I used earlier from the Tv show Angel. A human Daniel Holtz did more damage to Angel then most of the high powered demons/gods Angel fought. It also made for much better drama and internal conflict. It reverberated though the rest of the series. Season 3 of Angel was probably my favorite.
Well I will say that I am an outsider and not really a fan, you could call me a cynic but Im not really, I am here because I find the show hilariously bad, and I will probably vanish when I grow bored of it.
Part of the reason why I am here is because a lot of people here love star trek including this series and I want to know their perspective on it, and no I am not here to make fun of them.
Now with the intro out of the way it seems at least to my outsider view that people love certain aspects of the setting and certain versions(tng competency porn is a term for a reason) of it and they will try to get anything close to it and crtique the rest.
There is also the "issue" that people who love the the current series will rightfully gush early at the start about the good parts and well why would I just repeat stuff that has already been said. Not that there isnt double critique and double praise to either write it their way or just tldr the previous stuff.
As for the spouse part if I was married to trek with its valuing values diversity and optimism and ""humanism"" there are some examples that are jarring for example Kirk at the end of "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail"(which has two ways to make it look very bad) I would be very confused if that trek was my spouse and would probably consider a divorce. There has been a lack of empathy for "the other" in recent trek(how the other is dealt with and where the line is is something I just like to fixate on).
I love sci-fi and would love to see its quality increase whichever shape it takes.
Well… they really have painted themselves into a corner with these Omega mines, haven’t they?
If they have completely surrounded the federation in every direction, and have destroyed Subspace (essential for warp travel) how can they get home?
The simple answer is: they can’t.
Well… the Captain might be able to survive long enough at impulse, but the students won’t.
If they have completely surrounded the federation in every direction, and have destroyed Subspace (essential for warp travel) how can they get home?
The simple answer is: they can’t.
Well… the Captain might be able to survive long enough at impulse, but the students won’t.
The only way out of this as far as I can see is to go back in time and prevent the theft in the first place: (Does this violate the Temporal Prime Directive?)
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I still think the fact the field must be set up to allow stellar debris to move through the field, so they hide the saucer on an asteroid and let the asteroid drift through a la the Millenium Falcon in ESB. You also have the fact that they might be able to project SAM through the field, after they stressed in 1x09 that she would blink out before the shuttle blew up.
While the mines were detected the end of the episode, they don't appear to have been detonated yet. Presumably the situation will be explained at the beginning of the finale.
Open a dimensional rift to another universe, travel via warp there till you get to where you want to be, then open a dimensional rift back.
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