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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x05 – “Series Acclimation Mil”
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It was a wonderful tribute to DS9 - I was in tears by the end. Prophets, Fire Caves, gumbo, punching Q, Emissary, The Dominion, Dax, baseball. These were things from DS9 - things I remember. And they mentioned those things.
Incredible stuff.
For a closer look at the care and respect woven into this tribute:
Incredible stuff.
For a closer look at the care and respect woven into this tribute:
"People in new Star Trek wear stupid clothes that make no sense hundreds of years from now!"
The People:
Thats because youre not from the future. At least TOS and the Berman shoes tried to make things different than present times.
Kurtzman treks slang, clothing and tech seem so 21st century that it doesn't feel like the future anymore. TOS and to an extent Berman treks used minimalistic sets and decor. TOS used warm lighting and everything was designed specifically for the show. Things seemed out of our present time. The new shows everything looks like things we have today. It feels comfortable to some peoole because everything is relatable from the clothing to the slang to the padds. The original trek did not look like anything that was going on in present society. Even today original trek still feels like something further in the future because nothing looks or sounds relatable to present day. SFA everything seems relatable to present times.
Oh. Rey kind of did that in taking Luke's last name. Thats why I thought it was a reference.
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Are you?
Because Berman had slang and colloquial phrases too. TOS felt like the 60s some time. It's the nature of art to reflect the times and context. TOS had Vietnam and Cold War, allegories, while TNG had drug PSAs and no fly zone style 90s politics.
Bullshit.
So there were tri monitors and flat screens in people's homes at the time? There were food slots that produced food using multi colored cards? Face to face communications? Talking computers? Homes looked like the interior of the original enterprise?
Do you have replicators, instantaneous transporters, or telepathic technology or holograms?
The technology is not the parts that felt of the time. It's attitudes, speech and mannerisms that while different, still reflect their time and concerns of the day.
The technology is not important.
The technology is important to star trek. Facts are things havent changed much exceot for programmable matter which is similar to replication and the tri badge and data came up with a similar badge that transported in the 24th century.
Tng went further with tos in advancement with the holodeck and they redesigned the bridge. It was simpler than tos. Much different. Now for some reason the bridge in the 32nd century has more stations, more screens and more people. Things should have advanced and advanced to a point where things look different and more advanced. It doesnt. Since the 23rd century look was retconned its even worse as the bridge looks very similar in style to the std bridge abd snw bridge. The shows have blurred the technology now where one era to another looks the same. SFA doesnt look and feel like a strange and interesting future. It looks just like today. Go to any museum and there are screens and touchscreens everywhere. None of us would be lost if we traveled 1100 years to SFA. We would settle into life within a day. We would all definitely master the padd tech as we already have those.
The only thing is the transporter badges that were supposedly the big advancement. Even those dont work unless connected to the ship transporter. Data came up with that in the 24th century.
If they wanted to go to the future and keep the tech similar they could have went to the mid 25th century. 800 years later was a mistake.
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Completely disagree. Tell the stories about people.
Yup. Gene said the same thing.
Star treks tech has always been an important part of the show. Look at tng. The Enterprise itself looked impressive per the tech but it didnt look non functional.
The new shows we get air touch screens. They didnt even come up with that. Its been used limited in Berman trek for things like graphics st conference tables but what they are using in Kurtzman trek is what we see in marvel movies. The air touch screens. Not even practical when walking an alien world.
If they wanted to go ahead 800 years they needed way a more startling advancement. Which of course would have been starships themselves. STD had the discovery. A much more advanced propulsion system. By the 32nd century we should have seen an equivalent or something different but better. But yet when discovery got there we find out that 750 years after discovery they were still relying on dilithium for the warp drive to keep the matter and anti matter flow separated. They had nothing to compare to discovery. Cochranes warp drive didnt have dilithium. Though his drive was dangerous he still came up with a way to make it work for a few minutes using primitive tech he had in the 21st century. . 32nd century tech should have found a solution. Its gross incompetence really. People even started to starve after the burn. It makes absolutely no sense.
Time to point at the sign again:
Tell your story about people, not about science and gadgetry. Joe Friday doesn't stop to explain the mechanics of his .38 before he uses it; Kildare never did a monologue about the theory of anesthetics; Matt Dillon never identifies and discusses the breed of his horse before he rides off on it.
You are your job.
This lady more than most.
They are already the same.
I'm sure there are rules that stop half the class from changing their name to "James T. Kirk" an hour after they cracked the spine on their First Federation history textbook.
Here's the thing about TNG: the tech looks stiff. People look uncertain to touch it. It doesn't feel real or that they are in any way comfortable with this technology. They're either awed by it, or just stiff and unrealistic with it. It felt extremely non functional.
I will agree in one small part; it should not be in the 32nd century. That's just too far and it's dumb. Dune suffers a bit from this as well.
But, it making no sense? Nah. I follow it just fine. If all of the sudden all the gasoline in the world blew up and ruined centuries of infrastructure then yeah I'd expect starvation of some kind.
But, that's not my larger point. My point is, the technology is not the most important part of the Star Trek show. Watch TOS; the technology is not explained. It just exists. That's well done. That feels a bit more real, if very grounded in 60s projection of technology. It lets the people just do their jobs and carry the story, which is what I want. I want stories about people, not technology.
Ok. Well im glad we agree on a bit.
Maybe im in the minority about tech and sets. Most people online are fighting about social things like lgbtq representation etc. Things I care little about. Ive always looked at sets and tech of star trek since i was a kid. I examined everything. Sometimes I would rewatch episodes just to compare technologies or sets.
I do care about story as well and my favorite stories are still largely in TOS but there are several in the Berman era of stories to.
TOS tech was most relatable.
The rest is just magical. I mean, TOS was with the warp drive and transporter too, but it felt more pragmatic. And, while I can enjoy a technical manual every once in a while that's not why I'm watching a story. I want stories about people. I don't care about representation other than it being a fitting cross-section of the society as best as casting can.
But, ultimately, I'm watching a story for people, and if the tech takes center stage I'm usually tuning out.
You care more about the theoretical technology being shown than minority representation?
Agree. Star Trek for me was always about the people and the adventure. Star Trek is at it's best when it is focusing on the character and remembering that it's ultimately science-fantasy Horatio Hornblower in space. Trek is at it's worst when it's getting bogged down in technical details. In universe consistency means little, when the ships don't even obey the laws of physics and make sounds in a vacuum. In TNG the Enterprise travelled 2,000 light years to Malcor in a matter of weeks. In Voyager the same journey would have taken 2 years at maximum warp. So technology is at the whim of the writers and the needs of the plot.
I also don't understand the expectation that the 32nd century Federation should be a techno-singularity paradise where everyone is floating orbs of data or whatever. We've met civilisations far older than the Federation who they were also technologically on par with. So tech stagnation/ceiling-hitting appears to be the norm.
Actually, it would be a far bigger disservice to his character not to acknowledge the reality of his existence: he’s an effectively immortal hologram who has lived for 800 years. He has watched family, friends, and countless others die, endured experiences we can only guess at, The Burn, and still carries on alone - all while being a computer program capable of recalling every moment of his life with perfect, forensic accuracy. He never forgets. The events of Voyager and Prodigy are still as crystal clear to him as his interactions with SAM and others in this episode.
Given that, it makes complete sense for names and events from those formative centuries to come up. It would be stranger if they didn’t. Whether those memories involve characters from Voyager, Prodigy, or some other tragedy across those 800 years, they would naturally shape who he is.
The most likely explanation is a cumulative one: a long series of losses, relationships, and life-changing experiences, perhaps including something we haven’t been shown yet, that collectively influence the way he interacts with people today.
Any or all of this is plausible - and it certainly doesn’t feel forced that some of those key experiences may happen to involve characters we already know being name-dropped, especially as within his lifespan, Voyager and Prodigy are effectively his formative years, where presumably many of his "firsts" would have happened that shape where he is now.
I'd personally be more disappointed if they didn't feed into his personality today in some way and get a name check, and I don't think we should frame that cynically in terms of the writing. It feels rather natural to me, not "a prop". Its a completely natural arc for this character, whether we like it or not - and it would be weird to disregard it, predictable or not.
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&So they got wrong:
1. Sisko's mother.
2. Kasidy's name.
3. Omitted Ben and Kas' child.
4. Omitted Ben's sister Judith.
5. Omitted Ben's brother.
6. Omitted Ben's other brother.
7. Also, Sarah Sisko was not a non-corporeal being. She was a regular woman who was inhabited by a non-corporeal being for a time.
Nice QC, graphics people.
I'm thinking Sonequa Sisko and Michelle Sisko might be for Martin-Green and Hurd?
I did a double-take; the lighting hinders legibility but it looks like it read as "Non-Corporal Being"? Or do I need new glasses?
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