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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x04 – “Vox in Excelso”

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The one that involves watching various interviews where the production teams go into the modern production process. :rolleyes:

Mind, your argument is especially funny given the writers of TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT who did have a production schedule like you described had time to put together and use non-digital world bibles.
I haven't described anything or made any argument. You haven't either, you're just saying things without backing any of it up.
 
Between Romulus, Vulcan, and now Kronos Alex Kurtman has now truly blown up every single major alien homeworld by now, hasn't he?
I'll have to watch the episode again because I didn't get the sense that the planet Qo'nos was actually destroyed, just that it became uninhabitable after all the dilithium explosions.
:shrug:
 
Also regarding Athena's saucer or dome I guess going to warp, it is probably a much more limited capability with small flat nacelles or singular since there was one tiny nacelle in the Prometheus' primary vector but it isn't a substitution for a whole ship.
 
Sadly the writers of this episode couldn't escape from their usual problem of not doing more then a surface level of research.

Because "Dilithium reactors used on planetary surfaces going up in the Burn caused all the planets in the Klingon Empire to become uninhabitable" doesn't really work with the Klingons unless you erase the portion of their belief system that had them building no-technology monastery and hunting worlds.

Unless those didn't exist by that point.

As much as I loved that intimate Jay-Den/Darem moment, there’s also a part in me that felt it wasn’t totally earned, at least not yet. I feel like the last time we saw them interact was in the premiere, when Darem was a massive bully towards Jay-Den for no reason. Him being the one who notices that Jay-Den needs help and encouragement felt like a bit of a sudden turn, even if I’m taking last week’s episode into account. Last week Darem seemed to have learned that he doesn’t need to be the leader. But does that also mean he’s suddenly a sensitive friend in tune with the emotional well-being of everyone around him? What might have made more sense is if Darem had talked to Jay-Den about his parents and how they are having unrealistic expectations of him as well. Might have felt like a more natural bonding moment. And played right they still could have come as close as they did in “Vox In Excelso”.

I think Darem's thing is that he's extremely passionate about everything and has no real boundaries. In a very real sense, we've got a guy who doesn't actually see his bullying as personal. It's just how he communicates by getting in everyone's face.
 
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I'm pretty sure the Athena is using a pathway drive now. There was unless my eyes deceived me a green swirling particle effect when it came out of warp. There was also a more green hue to the other ships warping.

We saw a shuttle using one in Discovery and the warp effect outside the window was green. The shuttle also came into view with a bubble effect just like Athena did in the first episode.

Plus using a whole new system would explain Braka's interest in the core and not anh crystals
 
I’ve always had mixed feelings regarding the handling of Klingon scientists and doctors in the Star Trek universe (expanded or otherwise). Because really, while warriors are great, an army fights on its logistics and you’d think there’d be a place for the people who make weapons and heal warriors as much as the people who do the killing.

The exception of this was B’Oraq from the IKS Gorkon written by…someone…who managed to make a proper argument for it. Even then, it seemed more like she was working against specific “quirks” of Klingon medicine (like American medicine and religion–no mentioning of what specifically I’m referring to, there’s a lot) versus a general disdain.

I also am disappointed that the Federation and Klingons are STILL enemies a thousand years later (Edit: Okay, more that they've reverted to being enemies and are like cavemen breaking Federation technology with rocks) and wonder if it’s just impossible to get those two on the same side in a series these days. While I never thought they had to join the Federation like Agent Daniels predicted, it seems that doing so is remembered as an enormous mistake and that’s a shame.

Still, I’m going to say this is easily the best of the first four episodes and I dislike the previous ones. The humbling of the Klingon Empire is probably the biggest display of the Burn’s long lasting consequences as the Federation’s losing of Earth, Vulcan, and Andoria (who knew the Tellarites and Bajorans were the only true ride or die types).
 
Did anyone notice that The Doctor messes up the quote from The Drumhead?

What Picard says in The Drumhead:

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably"

What The Doctor says:

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, us all irrevocably."

I wonder if Robert Picardo just flubbed the line and nobody caught it or if the script got the quote wrong?
 
OK, I kinda liked this episode but I have one issue: Klingons do not have tear ducts so therefore cannot cry. Come on writers! Keep to the canon!!
IIRC, tear ducts are not essential to crying,
Jay-Den's family setup, in particular, didn't make much sense to me, as they seemingly lived as hunter-gatherers, yet still had access to a starship and could leave the planet? The budgetary limitations of the show were really evident here, as I could see alternate takes of this where we got to see a real Klingon settlement.
They hunted because that's the Klingon way.
When the debate gets overheated at the end, I didn’t get where Caleb yelling “You stabbed your family in the back!” came from. And that strikes me as pretty unforgivable — any other Klingon would have killed him for it.
If he were any other man....
 

Did anyone notice that The Doctor messes up the quote from The Drumhead?

What Picard says in The Drumhead:

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably"

What The Doctor says:

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, us all irrevocably."

I wonder if Robert Picardo just flubbed the line and nobody caught it or if the script got the quote wrong?

The quote wasnt wrong. This is a alternate universe so some things will be different.
 
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