Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x01 – “Kids These Days”

[TRON JA307020]

I think people forgot there was at least 1 Cheronian in the Section 31 movie…Georgiou’s assistant at the night club. So clearly the society was still somewhat “around” as far back as the lost era.





I hadn’t watched episode 2 when I posted so I hadn’t seen the live action Brikar. But still cameos/references inserted by writers/production are different than the official 60th anniversary intro. But hey, I’ll admit when I’m wrong. It’s probably just them skipping the animated Trek. No biggie.

Right. There was a Cheronian in the section 31 movie. I watched only 10 minutes of that god awful movie but I noticed that. It is true that we never knew if any Cheronians were off planet but in the tos episode it was strongly suggested which was why the episode hit so hard. The Cheronians destroyed their entire people's and civilization because of their hatred and racism. I liked it more were we are left to believe the cheronians became extinct. To see that they didnt makes the episide not quite hit as hard.

 

[JoeZhang]

Right. There was a Cheronian in the section 31 movie. I watched only 10 minutes of that god awful movie but I noticed that. It is true that we never knew if any Cheronians were off planet but in the tos episode it was strongly suggested which was why the episode hit so hard. The Cheronians destroyed their entire people's and civilization because of their hatred and racism. I liked it more were we are left to believe the cheronians became extinct. To see that they didnt makes the episide not quite hit as hard.

Given our main viewpoint characters were a couple of hardcore racists, they might have considered anyone who left not to be "true" Cheronians!

 

[fireproof78]

I think I've rewatched the San Francisco arrival scene 5 times now lmao

Balboa station, watch your step.

Right. There was a Cheronian in the section 31 movie. I watched only 10 minutes of that god awful movie but I noticed that. It is true that we never knew if any Cheronians were off planet but in the tos episode it was strongly suggested which was why the episode hit so hard. The Cheronians destroyed their entire people's and civilization because of their hatred and racism. I liked it more were we are left to believe the cheronians became extinct. To see that they didnt makes the episide not quite hit as hard.

I find this strange. The civilization is implied to be huge and old. The survival of two or a handful of hardly less tragic. They burned their world to the ground over it. Not tragic enough? Need extinction too?

 

[Charles Phipps]

6.5/10

I don't hate Star Trek: Starfleet Academy. Which is probably not the best praise I could give it. However, I wish we had Nu Trek where the Federation felt enlightened and the people cultured. They definitely don't feel like seasoned professionals. Which I suppose is the point.

I think it basically feels a little too crude and the Federation a lot more harsh.

Which, again, is the point but I can't help but think is a consistent problem. Picard season 1 was a great show but it seems like every show set in the verse but SNG is Firefly now.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Balboa station, watch your step.

I find this strange. The civilization is implied to be huge and old. The survival of two or a handful of hardly less tragic. They burned their world to the ground over it. Not tragic enough? Need extinction too?

Extinction was clearly implied. It made the story much more tragic.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I also like her choice of footwear when she meets with Fleet Admiral Vance and the Head of the War College.

Spoiler: From the episode Beta Test

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We did not need to know that

 

[Nerys Myk]

I cannot be bothered to read 26 pages, so this might have been covered, but it is interesting to me that, as a Klingon-tellarite hybrid, Nus Braka self-referred to himself as "Klingarite" (sp?).

That's how the subtitles spelled. Glad they're moving way from the human-aliens hybrid thing.

 

[Nerys Myk]

We did not need to know that

Lanthanites are all hippies.

 

[tenmei]

I'm calling it now that I think Caleb's:

Spoiler

mom murdered the pilot and Braka took the heat for her. Given they escaped together, I'm definitely of the mind the relationship was far closer and more intimate than she alluded to her son. Basically, you don't hire Tatiana for a minor role of the perfect mother.

Oh, i agree.

Spoiler: Theory

I don't think she was the unwilling or reluctant accomplice 15 years prior, I think she was the mastermind which is why Braka is so enraged at the Mirs. That will be the big reveal in the finale, its like the old Whedon shows had the Little Bad and then the Big Bad - Braka is the Big Bad in Season 1, but the Little Bad in the overall context.

I also think the bigger twist will be whomever Calebs dad is, and that it will somehow tie into Ake's presumed dead son. Will Ake be Calebs grandmother in the end?

 

[Charles Phipps]

Yeah, there's a lot of questionable things about Mom's story.

Stealing food to survive: reasonable.
Stealing a SHIP full of food to survive: questionable

Also, if you have space travel but are starving, something weird is going on there.

Planets and communities can starve in that situation--individuals?

No replicators onboard?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

No replicators onboard?

Not every species has replicators.

We saw that in the Delta Quadrant.

Wouldn't be surprised if there are plenty of species through-out the Galaxy w/o Replicator Tech.

 

[Yoda]

Shout out to Paramount for throwing this on YouTube for free... but it was pretty bad. I gave it a 4 just because it was mostly coherent and Section 31 gave us a new floor for how bad "Trek" could be.

 

[Elaise]

Yeah. They could have taken the crew prisoner. In the 32nd century it seems things are really no better. Maybe even worse.

Normally the tactical officer would access the capabilities of the ship (even aftering being attacked) and if they are not a thread anymore they will lock on with a tractor beam and take arrest whoever the are charging.

 

[Discovery McDiscoveryFace]

Back to the Cheronians. Not sure if they are the best TOS species to include. There are many TOS species that, even if the execution was poor, are plausible. The Cheronians literally look like their faces are painted, and there is nothing that can really be done to change that. Even Orions can be made to look somewhat possible.

 

[Michael]

^ I get that, but personally I’m the type of fan who loves the Cherons (since when are they “Cheronians”, by the way?) because their makeup is a little ridiculous.

 

[Mudd]

Yeah, there's a lot of questionable things about Mom's story.

Stealing food to survive: reasonable.
Stealing a SHIP full of food to survive: questionable

Also, if you have space travel but are starving, something weird is going on there.

Planets and communities can starve in that situation--individuals?

No replicators onboard?

In the Trek universe, people can have FTL space travel and not have enough water.

 

[Elaise]

Alright, my bad. Though saying "blow that ship to hell" is still a pretty vague statement, more akin to firing with a full spread than asking it to be vaporized.

That said, I still think it's likely the ship wasn't actually destroyed. This would solve the issue of where Braka went in the escape pod. He was escaping back to his ship. Or at least, the remaining bits of it, since like most of the 32nd century ships, it appears to be multiple detached parts.

I guess we'll find out later in the season.

It means destroy, especially when you say hell, it means send them to their deaths. If you watch the scene in flow motion they hit the ship with 11 to 12 torpedoes, and the ship it breaking into pieces. Its still having explosions while the bad guy gets on a escape pod. They did not have any scene in there of them detaining any survivors, i'm pretty sure the intent was that the ship to be destroyed.

My guess is in star trek movies they worry less about preserving lives and want to be more actions packed then the tv shows. Nu trek are written and shot more like trek movies than the tv shows.

Re: Why didn’t immediately recapture Braka in that escape pod? That’s assuming Caleb was able to communicate the fact that he used one quickly enough to the bridge. And even though we don't see it warp away, I’m going out on a limb and assume escape pods in the 32nd century are warp-capable, so that he was long gone when Ake on the bridge was made aware of what had happened.

That is a very good point. but I doubt they would want to waste dilithium resources that are very rare at the time to be put in hundreds of escape pods.

Even if it is warp capable they would have a warp trail to follow or a direction. The tactical officer or someone else should see a pod has been launched.

 

[Guy Gardener]

7 feet tall

^ I get that, but personally I’m the type of fan who loves the Cherons (since when are they “Cheronians”, by the way?) because their makeup is a little ridiculous.

Imagine if this alien is hungry, walks into a bakery, finds a tray of half moon cookies looking back at her, and declares it a hate crime.

Wait?

I thought that the point of that story is that they were all dead?

Unless Lokai and Bele had a baby?

 

[cooleddie74]

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[Charles Phipps]

In the Trek universe, people can have FTL space travel and not have enough water.

Reminds me of the Knights of the Dinner Table comic about how they had a hydrogen-based hyperdrive and the ST had written the adventure about that being rare.