Spoilers Star Trek: Short Treks 1x02 - "Calypso"
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There’s the rec room in TOS. And TNG marvels at the sophistication - although we may have to retcon that, like cloaks.
Quite possibly the best Trek ive seen in.. forever. Well done!
man that CGI launch bay is so much more convincing this season than it was in season one.The design was the same, but the colour appeared to be different. It's has rust coloured highlights instead of red.
So?
TOS and TNG treated the Soviet Union like it was still an existing political entity in the 23rd and 24th centuries, because at the time it still existed in our world. We can either take the convoluted route that a reformed USSR pops up again in the future or we can just adapt with the changing realities of the world and disregard those references in favor of saying the USSR no longer exists by then.
Likewise, we can learn to be more flexible and accepting of the fact that our technology today is rapidly catching up with or surpassing many of the smaller technologies on TOS and TNG (but the big stuff that really matters are still mostly pie in the sky) and adapt the depiction of the tech to fit our current reality, while subtly bumping up the tech level of the subsequent series and movies.
Just imagine that the holodecks in TNG still represented a major leap forward in the technology level of holograms over the TOS-era without sweating the details.
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I'm not sure anyone can quite definitively say what the point of Star Trek is. I imagine that boils down to the person.
All I'm saying is that this story is likely going to exist outside of the shows lore and will just as likely never be brought up again....I guess I also brought up that it does strangely stand out from the rest of the shorts which is strictly related to Discovery.
They marvel at the detail and fidelity of the finer points, right down to smells. No one marveled at mere physical interaction, that I can recall.
-MMoM
Riker's amazement at stepping onto the holodeck in "Farpoint". Explicit dialogue in VOY: "Flashback".Citations needed.
-MMoM
Real life =/= Star Trek. You can either retcon everything to the point the original barely exists except as a vague outline where nothing looks, sounds or happened as originally depicted (which is what they have done) or just say it's a separate version of Trek, which I believe infinitely more sensible..
One could argue that is is much easier to look past those things (a screenshot of the computer screen and a screen grab of a dedication plaque) than an entire episode or set of episodes. Also looking at the world around us today I don't think it's that convoluted to imagine the USSR coming back again at some point. Kind of feels like anything could happen these days.
You know what I mean. It's a possible future in-universe.
Assuming it really is the future. Aside from Zora, there's not a lot of proof of that, is there?
And I hate to keep bringing this up...but does that really look like a thousand-year-old ship?
Russia under Vladimir Putin is basically the Soviet Union all over again. All that's missing is the name.
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"I didn't believe these simulations could be this real."
"In the twenty-third century, holographic imaging resolution was less accurate."
-MMoM
It was 1000 years later, we don't know how the ship was upgraded before she was abandoned.
Seemed pretty accurate when showing mirrors of Burnham and Tilly."I didn't believe these simulations could be this real."
"In the twenty-third century, holographic imaging resolution was less accurate."
-MMoM
Possible, although everything looks the same (which is going to limit them quite a bit with regard to set design changes etc, but that's another discussion)
"I didn't believe these simulations could be this real."
"In the twenty-third century, holographic imaging resolution was less accurate."
-MMoM
There are two types of humans in the 24th, those that jerk off to 19th century prose, and those that can walk into a holodeck, say "Show me some hard core f##king" and ignore the low def pixilation glitching.
It really doesn't. What impresses him is how realistic it is, not that he can touch them.
And then he is a hundred times more impressed by Minuet half way through season 1.
Of course real life isn't Trek. Obviously we weren't creating genetically engineered supersoldiers in the mid-60s that conquered a quarter of the world in the 90s. I'm not advocating eliminating major facets of Trek history heavily referenced on the shows and movies in favor of our own. But when it comes to minor stuff that doesn't have a significant impact on the show, I think we should be adaptive to keep up with the social, political, and technological aspects of the world of today.
I don't see how having tactile holograms damages the good name of TNG, and frankly this quasi-Biblical literalism treatment of established Trek down to the most obscure and mundane tech or reference is baffling to me. I like making up theories to explain canon and continuity differences as much as the next geek, but it's not a big deal to me if something is simply changed to conform to the realities of modern life.
Having a new communist country rise up built on nostalgia for the old Soviet Union is not impossible, but having it conform to the same names, borders, component states, etc. as its earlier counterpart seems unlikely.
Russia today has more in common with its old enemy fascism (though it doesn't quite fit the classical definition yet) than it does with the Soviet Union, though it's not alone in taking on fascistic qualities, unfortunately. It's an authoritarian oligarchy.
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In a way, Saru is Cat of Discovery, but his animal instincts are different.
