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Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x11 - "Asylum"

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Not sure if it's the best Trek on today, as Strange New Worlds might want a word, but I'm also very impressed that an ostensibly kiddy show can be enjoyed by adults without massive eyerolls accompanied by heavy sighs and shaking heads... kind of like Sponge Bob in a different genre sense.

I'd be very much open to seeing that Section 31 spinoff done by this team...
 
Not sure if it's the best Trek on today, as Strange New Worlds might want a word, but I'm also very impressed that an ostensibly kiddy show can be enjoyed by adults without massive eyerolls accompanied by heavy sighs and shaking heads... kind of like Sponge Bob in a different genre sense.

I'd be very much open to seeing that Section 31 spinoff done by this team...
I agree SNW is very good, but I’d say that it is carried as much by the great casting. Personally, as far as overarching season and story goes, Prodigy has me a little more excited between the two.
 
Can't say anything really struck me as "super awesome" about this episode after waiting so long for it to drop. Have to remember that this is still technically S1. But it wasn't bad. I give it a 7/10.

Thinking the Protostar as a weapon process through, now that it has infected a comm relay, does this mean that the virus is propagating throughout Starfleet? That has to be how it works. The Protostar obviously cannot touch every ship or station so to speak.
 
Really enjoying your input on this series @Wouter which helps me and I am sure others to follow it. :techman:

I hope that we get to see a live action Dal someday, but I think that he might be hard work for the prosthetics department and makeup team. I laughed when the Starfleet officer thought he was Talaxian… :guffaw:
Thanks for your support, appreciate it!

The Hageman brothers have said they would like very much to see Dal and Gwyn in live action, played by their voice actors. Let's hope it happens. I don't know how good the show is doing in terms of what CBS/Nickolodeon and co want out of it, because getting a season 3 greenlit would help to keep the characters relevant.

I’m sure they’ll explain more as the show goes on, but if you pay close attention to the clues they’ve been dropping, the timeline makes perfect sense.

Chakotay goes out on the maiden voyage post-Voyager, around 2381 or 82. Chakotay goes through an unstable time anomaly and is sent 50 years forward in time, lands in a post-apocalyptic Solum where the Protostar is captured, loaded with a future Trojan horse weapon, then sent back in time through the same time anomaly but gets lost, landing a little too far in the past. The Diviner follows, spends years searching for it, creates Gwyndala, keeps searching until Dal and Rok discover it by accident in 2383.
That's an excellent explanation, though I think it is equally possible that the anomaly is the Diviner (and possibly other Vau N'akat) coming back through time to 2382 or 2383. The end result is the same: the Prodigy is captured but somehow Chakotay and/or his crew manages to make it disappear again (or the Vau N'akat accidentally cause the second round of time travel themselves).

While the Diviner believes the Protostar went years/decades back in time (from 2382/2383), it only recently surfaced so maybe it didn't travel back as far as he thought (or it even went - slightly - forward in time rather than backwards). Was it really there in Tars Lamora for 20+ years, without ever being found, or did it appear recently?

I agree SNW is very good, but I’d say that it is carried as much by the great casting. Personally, as far as overarching season and story goes, Prodigy has me a little more excited between the two.
I have the same feeling. Strange New Worlds has great cast/characters and atmosphere, but the individual episodes are hit or miss for me, so far. Prodigy is a bit more constant in quality IMO.

And I think that Una, for example, wasn't given nearly enough to matter this season (outside the one episode that was pretty much about her).

Thinking the Protostar as a weapon process through, now that it has infected a comm relay, does this mean that the virus is propagating throughout Starfleet? That has to be how it works. The Protostar obviously cannot touch every ship or station so to speak.
That's a good question, especially with a relay station being the target. However, I doubt that the rest of Starfleet was affected (too dark for this show; and the Dauntless obviously is fine). Maybe the weapon on the Protostar (in the "metamurfosis" teaser, Dal calls it the "living construct") needs to be relatively close for its attack to work (or tailor its attack to a specific target, in this case the relay station), and affected ships/installations can't directly affect other targets by themselves (or at least not get past the safeguards, such as they are with Starfleet, which the "living construct" obviously has no problem with). Though in that case, the Diviner would be very optimistic if he thinks he can destroy the entire Starfleet that way. He would need to be able to spread copies of the "living construct" to other ships to propagate it.
 
1. Two Janeways? Double awesome!
The only problem that I can think of is that although Dal is bonding with hologram Janeway, when he finally meets the *real* Janeway she might just blank him and brush him off as he is a stranger to her…. I hope that *real* Janeway continues this mentorship of Dal one day, maybe she could continue guiding him in to Starfleet. :shrug:

In a Seven of Nine spin-off series, it would be soooo cool if Dal could be envisioned in ‘live action’ as a character as a part of the Enterprise crew. He would be a lot older though… no idea how old he is in Prodigy but by the 2500’s he could be approaching ‘middle age’? I’m generalising a bit as I have no idea what his species lifespan is and I can’t remember when *exactly* prodigy is set… I’m guessing Dal would be *somewhere* in the 30-40 range by the time of Picard season 3 onwards? Regardless, Admiral Janeway could still keep an eye on him and Seven, who could be like his big sister as well as Captain.

Young new fans who have watched Prodigy might be drawn to watch a show with a live action version of their favourite character Dal one day. I’m assuming Dal is prime timeline of course and not JJ-verse?
 
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The only problem that I can think of is that although Dal is bonding with hologram Janeway, when he finally meets the *real* Janeway she might just blank him and brush him off as he is a stranger to her.

Young new fans who have watched Prodigy might be drawn to watch a show with a live action version of their favourite character Dal one day. I’m assuming Dal is prime timeline of course and not JJ-verse?
It's all prime timeline, has been confirmed by Aaron Waltke IIRC.

Vice-admiral Janeway won't be too happy with the kids, at least initially, so no hugs for Dal or the others. Hopefully that will be over by the season finale.
 
It's all prime timeline, has been confirmed by Aaron Waltke IIRC.

Vice-admiral Janeway won't be too happy with the kids, at least initially, so no hugs for Dal or the others. Hopefully that will be over by the season finale.
Perhaps Dal will feel the need to impress *real* Janeway after getting to know her holographic counterpart and being upset that the real Janeway doesn’t treat him with the same ‘familiarity’. Hologram Janeway might also have been recording her interactions with Dal and the rest of the crew ready to deliver as a full report back to Starfleet, so maybe the real Janeway will find out a lot about the Prodigy crew from her holograms debriefing. Real Janeway and Dal will almost definitely be working together at some point this series I think.

I have just googled the Dal actor, I did not know his actual name so I literally ‘googled ‘ Prodigy Dal actor. This is what Google images produced:
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I think that the makeup department could pull it off? I would hope that they avoid making a similar CGI representation of Dal i.e Avatar, but if they have the budget it could work… but I doubt that they would have the budget. :shrug:

I could not accept a new voice for Dal though, so they would need to dub Prodigy Dal voice actor over any representation of this character… so might as well just cast the same guy in the role?
 
Perhaps Dal will feel the need to impress *real* Janeway after getting to know her holographic counterpart and being upset that the real Janeway doesn’t treat him with the same ‘familiarity’. Hologram Janeway might also have been recording her interactions with Dal and the rest of the crew ready to deliver as a full report back to Starfleet, so maybe the real Janeway will find out a lot about the Prodigy crew from her holograms debriefing. Real Janeway and Dal will almost definitely be working together at some point this series I think.
Yes, it seems likely that vice-admiral Janeway and the kids will end up working together (maybe in season 2), though there needs to be reason why they are still allowed to gallavant across the galaxy in their starship (I doubt they would change the whole setup).

The Hageman brothers have made it clear that for a possible live-action, if that ever happens, they would want the voice actors (of Dal and Gwyn, at least) to reprise their role, much like what happens on Lower Decks/Strange New Worlds.
 
Anyone else think that the 8 month break in between episodes 10 and 11 of S1 might have harmed this series popularity? That's a long time for kids to forget something and basically have to relearn the plot and characters that have been introduced. What was the reason for such a long sabbatical?
 
Vice-admiral Janeway won't be too happy with the kids, at least initially, so no hugs for Dal or the others.

Especially if Barniss Frex (the Denobulan lieutenant who is convinced the kids deliberately sabotaged his station) gets to her before they do...

Speaking of whom, I wonder why Frex wore two different styles of rank insignia? He had the normal lieutenant's pips, AND the provisional version...I wonder what's up with that.
 
Especially if Barniss Frex (the Denobulan lieutenant who is convinced the kids deliberately sabotaged his station) gets to her before they do...

Speaking of whom, I wonder why Frex wore two different styles of rank insignia? He had the normal lieutenant's pips, AND the provisional version...I wonder what's up with that.

he was the sole science officer and provisional chief of operations as the only person on the ship. Also Denobulans don’t do well with isolation and tend to prefer no clothes when by themselves, so he had to dress in a rush when he had unexpected visitors.
 
Thinking the Protostar as a weapon process through, now that it has infected a comm relay, does this mean that the virus is propagating throughout Starfleet? That has to be how it works. The Protostar obviously cannot touch every ship or station so to speak.
The show has never stated the Living Construct is a computer virus, but rather a weapon from 50 years in the future. I suspect it may operate in ways that Starfleet may not have seen before.

Also, we’ve seen in episodes like VOY’s “Pathfinder” that communication way out in the Delta Quadrant is air gapped and can only communicate with Starfleet in limited bursts. It’s possible that without a Vau N’akat operator, the Construct was accidentally triggered by Frex — it located the only Federation signal in range, then destroyed it as it’s secondary function. My guess is that Frex didn’t use it to its full potential the way the Diviner might.
 
Anyone else think that the 8 month break in between episodes 10 and 11 of S1 might have harmed this series popularity? That's a long time for kids to forget something and basically have to relearn the plot and characters that have been introduced. What was the reason for such a long sabbatical?

The Hagemans have said the show is extremely complicated to make and that only became moreso doing it from home during lockdown. It simply wasn’t finished being made.
 
Perhaps Dal will feel the need to impress *real* Janeway after getting to know her holographic counterpart and being upset that the real Janeway doesn’t treat him with the same ‘familiarity’. Hologram Janeway might also have been recording her interactions with Dal and the rest of the crew ready to deliver as a full report back to Starfleet, so maybe the real Janeway will find out a lot about the Prodigy crew from her holograms debriefing. Real Janeway and Dal will almost definitely be working together at some point this series I think.

I have just googled the Dal actor, I did not know his actual name so I literally ‘googled ‘ Prodigy Dal actor. This is what Google images produced:
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I think that the makeup department could pull it off? I would hope that they avoid making a similar CGI representation of Dal i.e Avatar, but if they have the budget it could work… but I doubt that they would have the budget. :shrug:

I could not accept a new voice for Dal though, so they would need to dub Prodigy Dal voice actor over any representation of this character… so might as well just cast the same guy in the role?
Looks like an easy look to duplicate in real life. The skin would be make up and a touch of prosthetics. The hair is just "Pike's Peak". ;)
 
Anyone else think that the 8 month break in between episodes 10 and 11 of S1 might have harmed this series popularity? That's a long time for kids to forget something and basically have to relearn the plot and characters that have been introduced. What was the reason for such a long sabbatical?

And not do a recap before the new material on top of that, but have a recap dominate the PROD portion of the RR. Messy.
 
Especially if Barniss Frex (the Denobulan lieutenant who is convinced the kids deliberately sabotaged his station) gets to her before they do...

Speaking of whom, I wonder why Frex wore two different styles of rank insignia? He had the normal lieutenant's pips, AND the provisional version...I wonder what's up with that.
I'm guessing (admiral) Janeway will get to Frex first, though it remains to be seen if (holo) Janeway wouldn't want to pick him up. For the plot though, it makes sense to let Frex do his story to the Dauntless crew.

As for the rank insignia, I read somewhere (but can't remember or find it) that he is supposed to have a normal rank (as a science officer, like animationadmiral already mentioned) but that he also has a "field commissioning" as a commanding/operations officer because he is the only crew member on the relay station. He has to do everything. Probably a badmiral in charge of personnel allocation...

The show has never stated the Living Construct is a computer virus, but rather a weapon from 50 years in the future. I suspect it may operate in ways that Starfleet may not have seen before.

Also, we’ve seen in episodes like VOY’s “Pathfinder” that communication way out in the Delta Quadrant is air gapped and can only communicate with Starfleet in limited bursts. It’s possible that without a Vau N’akat operator, the Construct was accidentally triggered by Frex — it located the only Federation signal in range, then destroyed it as it’s secondary function. My guess is that Frex didn’t use it to its full potential the way the Diviner might.
Interesting points. The Diviner did want to be present on the ship, and a desire to see the fruits of his work may indeed not be only reason. And he did insist on Gwyn being with him, as a back-up in case he didn't live long enough to complete the work?
 
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