Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x10 - "A Moral Star, Part 2"

[cooleddie74]

He'll face some sort of redemption. 1.) This is the Federation. 2.) This is a show aimed primarily at a younger audience. 3.) His daughter won't simply allow the man who protected and nurtured her all these years to be left behind to die or be otherwise killed.

You don't think all those glimmers of a conscience in the Diviner were for nothing, do you? He's been shown to have something deep down inside that's redeemable.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Side note: Has the Diviner's real name ever been used on the show?

At first I thought it was Solum, but that's his homeworld, not his name.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Side note: Has the Diviner's real name ever been used on the show?

At first I thought it was Solum, but that's his homeworld, not his name.

DeViner. D. Viner. Dee Vyneer.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

(Chicago accent) Da-VINER!

 

[cooleddie74]

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[AnimationAdmiral]

The only way I see that narration making any sense...is if it's meant to be taken literally, and they really did deliberately leave the Diviner behind on an abandoned, powerless Tars Lamora, without provisions or companionship of any kind, and without the exo-suit that the Diviner needs to survive.

And I find that very hard to stomach. It's cruel and unusual punishment, and it makes me fucking SICK. Regardless of the Diviner's crimes, he deserves a fair trial, not starvation and slow death. That in itself is a crime.

Again: To gloat over the Diviner's suffering, to take pleasure in watching him starve and slowly die...that is, IMHO, quite disturbing. Criminals deserve fair treatment, regardless of their crimes.

I don’t know if you aren’t seeing the replies, but Tars Lamora clearly had power and gravity when they left, and the facility was outfitted to feed and house hundreds of people indefinitely without the REV-12 just fine; we see as much when the REV-12 left Tars Lamora earlier in the series in pursuit of the Protostar. Unless they painstakingly removed all the supplies for hundreds of people, he would have enough food and water for several lifetimes on a station he built himself and formerly lived on. It’s no worse than house arrest. Kirk did something identical in TOS, so you can’t argue there’s no precedent in Starfleet, however you may feel about how that turned out.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Isn't John Noble in the cast list for Season 2?

 

[Vale]

Isn't John Noble in the cast list for Season 2?

Depends if you mean proper season 2 or just season 1.5. "A Moral Star" was just a mid-season finale after all.

 

[Danja]

Beautiful! Beautiful!

I'm loving this show!



Our baby Rok Tahk spoke her first Trekno-babble!

 

[seigezunt]

Solid episode. I was a little slow to warming to this show, only because I felt the pacing was oddly slow for a kids' show, but it has really picked up and become a little gem.

 

[1001001]

Side note: Has the Diviner's real name ever been used on the show?

I think it's Jeff.

 

[yenny]

The Diviner did mention that Star Fleet came to his world 50 years ago, in 2334. Either a probe or a lost starship. If lost starship? They're either the Enterprise-B or the Ambassador class USS. Forrestal.

 

[jackoverfull]

I’m not sure where you got that, but I’m mostly sure it’s not correct. As far as I got it the first contact will happen some time in or after 2383. The diviner went back in time but showed Gwynn 50 years in the future, when solum has been devastated.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I think the general timeline we've been given is:

2366 - The Diviner is already looking for the Protostar, decides to have a kid.
2371 - Voyager goes missing in the Delta Quadrant.
2378 - Voyager returns home.
238X - The Protostar goes missing in the Delta Quadrant.
2383/84 - The present day. Dal's crew have the Protostar and Janeway's hunting them down.
2??? - Starfleet makes first contact with Solum.
243X - Solum is devastated by civil war, The Diviner travels back in time.

 

[yenny]

I’m not sure where you got that, but I’m mostly sure it’s not correct. As far as I got it the first contact will happen some time in or after 2383. The diviner went back in time but showed Gwynn 50 years in the future, when solum has been devastated.

The Diviner is lying. Where is Gwyn mother? If he was sent from the future, like he said he was. Why didn't he mention Gwyn mother? Why didn't he warn his own people of what's to come.
Also, it's Star Fleet protocol not to mention any presence and past starships names on first contact, except the starship making first contact. It's the only starship to be mention. Which means, it was the Protostar that made first contact with the Diviner and Gwyn home world.
Then there's the civil war, it wasn't Star Fleet fault in the first place, it was brewing years, decades or centuries before first contact even happen. It was the fault of that world of the cause of the civil war.
Then there's the problem of the Diviner learning how to the command protocol of the Protostar in the first place. Chakotay wouldn't allow that to happen in the first place. The Diviner did learn the command codes to activate the protocore engines, cause Gwyn knew it, he most likely heard Chakotay mention it. Then there's the crew of the Protostar. Where are they? The ship still had its life pods when it was found, meaning they didn't leave that way. Which means they might be still on the ship itself. The Protostar was bury under tons of rocks when it was found. It wasn't the Diviner that found the Protostar. It was a teenage boy that is now captain of that same ship.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The Diviner did mention that Star Fleet came to his world 50 years ago, in 2334.

The Diviner came from 50 years in the future. So 50 years ago for him, is the present. Therefore, first contact with Solum is either about to happen, or has very recently happened.

The Diviner is lying. Where is Gwyn mother? If he was sent from the future, like he said he was. Why didn't he mention Gwyn mother?

Gwyn doesn't have a mother. She was artificially created from the Diviner's genetic material. So he is, as such, her only parent.

 

[Galaxy]

I think the general timeline we've been given is:

2366 - The Diviner is already looking for the Protostar, decides to have a kid.
2371 - Voyager goes missing in the Delta Quadrant.
2378 - Voyager returns home.
238X - The Protostar goes missing in the Delta Quadrant.
2383/84 - The present day. Dal's crew have the Protostar and Janeway's hunting them down.
2??? - Starfleet makes first contact with Solum.
243X - Solum is devastated by civil war, The Diviner travels back in time.

Right. But where does Chakotay commanding the Protostar fit in here? I doubt he was commanding Protostar in TNG: Season 3. Plus the tech seems to advanced. It is possible that the Protostar is from 243X and the Diviner travelled back in time with it, and somehow lost it. However the registry number seems to low for that.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

@Ray Hardgrit's timeline is accurate. The Protostar was built and launched after Voyager's return home. So we're talking somewhere between 2378 and (the present) 2383.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

The Protostar with Chakotay was already lost before the final scene of this episode, set in 2384, this is made clear because present day Janeway was already looking for its protowarp signature and for Chakotay.

The Protostar, hidden within Tars Lamora for some years before 2366 until 2383 when it’s found by Dal and Rok, had the recording of Chakotay where we hear him say that they’re encountering an anomaly right before they’re boarded by Drednok.

Because 2383/2384 Vice Admiral Janeway is searching for a missing Protostar and Chakotay we can infer that sometime after their return in 2378 that Chakotay took command of the Protostar and had a mission to the Delta Quadrant (Holo Janeway and the recording tell us that much), and it’s then sent back in time and boarded by the Vau N’Akat, and eventually hidden from them inside Tars Lamora.

 

[yenny]

@Ray Hardgrit's timeline is accurate. The Protostar was built and launched after Voyager's return home. So we're talking somewhere between 2378 and (the present) 2383.

Work on the Protostar started in 2375, it was completed in 2378 after Voyager had return home. Chakotay likely was given command soon after.