Sorry if this was already asked, but is this a Lurian?
And was anyone else reminded of the NEM scene at this point?
And was anyone else reminded of the NEM scene at this point?
Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x10 - "A Moral Star, Part 2"
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It is a Lurian! They’re seen in the 2-part pilot episode as well. In the flashback to Zero being weaponized by the Diviner they’re used on a Lurian as well, though probably not the same individual, since they don’t seem to have been driven mad.
A fair number of Alpha Quadrant races around the part of the DQ.
Aaron Waltke went into that a little in an interview at TrekMovie released after the episode dropped, where he explained that following Voyager’s return that there was something of a “space race” to the Delta Quadrant, and he went through all sorts of avenues characters might have used and ended up on the Delta/Beta border where Tars Lamora is.
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I really like the idea that Voyager's return has led to the Federation experimenting with new engine designs and developing much faster ships. It's almost like Voyager has unlocked the Delta Quadrant for everyone to explore.
Yes, the trip through the Delta Quadrant and Future Janeway in Endgame had a combined effect of kickstarting Starfleet tech, and a drive to explore the furthest corners of the Delta.
It’s awesome to see Voyager’s legacy live on.
People from the Delta Quadrant should be racing to the Alpha Quadrant, because Janeway got them hooked on caffeine.
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To be fair, it was a great bridge design.
It's quite possible that for the Quantum Slipstream Drive to work it needs something similar to that particular bridge design and it was easier/quicker to just recreate the original.
She wouldn't know the exact circumstances of the Diviner's delusions, but I think you have to take into account that many times when They show us the audience what a character is thinking, it is simply a visual representation of their thoughts.
In this case we hear H-Janeway describe what appears to be the Diviner's condition and we're shown what he is actually thinking in his mind.
I'm firmly convinced that he is either sitting in the brig or in the sickbay of the Protostar, trapped in his own delusional mind.
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This leaves a lot of questions in my mind.
Bear in mind, I’m not a rewatcher, so I’ve seen every ep the once.
Why did he have all those slaves?
They were called the unwanted. Were they orphans sold to him?
Were they looking for the Protostar on the slave world? But he implied that he had already implanted the stuff that will foul up the fleet. So he had had it, then lost it?
Do you think that is action that involved Chakotay that we just haven’t seen yet?
Bear in mind, I’m not a rewatcher, so I’ve seen every ep the once.
Why did he have all those slaves?
They were called the unwanted. Were they orphans sold to him?
Were they looking for the Protostar on the slave world? But he implied that he had already implanted the stuff that will foul up the fleet. So he had had it, then lost it?
Do you think that is action that involved Chakotay that we just haven’t seen yet?
The Diviner was searching for the Protostar in Tars Lamora, yes, under the auspices of mining for Chimerium, an essential component in cloaking devices that scrambles sensor data.
And yes, I think Chakotay will be the one who hid the Protostar inside Tars Lamora, and did so precisely because it was surrounded by Chimerium, it was undetectable to sensors, and they couldn’t fire randomly without risking damaging their perfect tool against the Federation.
I’d think sometime after The Diviner infiltrated the Protostar’s systems that Chakotay was able to regain control of the ship and hid it there intentionally, perhaps to both keep it out of The Diviner’s hands, and to keep its presence in the past from disrupting the timeline.
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I still don't see how Janeway could possibly know about what is going on inside the Diviner's mind.
The only way I see that narration making any sense...is if it's meant to be taken literally, and they really did deliberately leave the Diviner behind on an abandoned, powerless Tars Lamora, without provisions or companionship of any kind, and without the exo-suit that the Diviner needs to survive.
And I find that very hard to stomach.
It's cruel and unusual punishment, and it makes me fucking SICK. Regardless of the Diviner's crimes, he deserves a fair trial, not starvation and slow death. That in itself is a crime.Again: To gloat over the Diviner's suffering, to take pleasure in watching him starve and slowly die...that is, IMHO, quite disturbing. Criminals deserve fair treatment, regardless of their crimes.
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FTFY
She's well aware of what the results of looking at a Medusan is, as are we.., Insanity.
What the producers/writers did was show Us the Audience, exactly what the results of his madness is.
It doesn't necessarily follow that the characters in the show would know the precise way it is manifesting in his mind, they don't need to know that.
They simply are aware that it's extremely unpleasant.
What H-Janeway said was he is "...banished to spend the rest of his life in the ruins of his own making".
I believe you are incorrectly interpreting it literally, when she was actually speaking figuratively.
What we saw is what the Diviner is experiencing within his delusions, not that he was left to fend for himself on the planet.
Since I believe that he is still on the Protostar, it is quite reasonable to assume that H-Janeway could simply be interpreting his verbal mumblings in such a manner.
And again I point out that we saw him without his survival suit on, something that simply isn't possible based on all the other times he is shown in all the episodes.
The Protostar doesn't have the medical technology to cure him and the kids certainly don't have that knowledge either.
Hell, even his own super computer robot couldn't cure him.
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No, the generator the Diviner destroys is inside the Rev-12. As you can see in the video clip from ep. 02, this ship leaves Tars L. with the miners being left behind, they don't start to float around and die, so the mining colony must have its own, independent power source(s) to run the life support systems and the cloaking device as well.
For the plot to make sense, the D. must destroy, remove, or disable that/ those additional power source(s) when he sets his trap. In any case, we know TL can be habitable without the Rev-12. The kids (and miners) should be able to repair/ replace/ reactivate the generator(s) without difficulty, if necessary, they could use the vehicle replicator which was shown to be capable of creating complex machinery. Obviously there is gravity when we see the D. on the asteroid.
This would beg the question why they had decided to make significant design changes to other parts of the original vessel's design.
there are at least 30 more episodes...I still don't see how Janeway could possibly know about what is going on inside the Diviner's mind.
The only way I see that narration making any sense...is if it's meant to be taken literally, and they really did deliberately leave the Diviner behind on an abandoned, powerless Tars Lamora, without provisions or companionship of any kind, and without the exo-suit that the Diviner needs to survive.
And I find that very hard to stomach.
Again: To gloat over the Diviner's suffering, to take pleasure in watching him starve and slowly die...that is, IMHO, quite disturbing. Criminals deserve fair treatment, regardless of their crimes.
I take everything literally.
But assuming I'm right, and they left him behind on Tars Lamora to die...why would they care about curing him? They'd simply strip him of his suit so he could suffer before he died.
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Despite what the Diviner did, Dal didn't strike me as a kid who would leave him behind on Tars Lamora.
The Diviner is now effectively 'neutralized', so it would have made sense to either accommodate Tars Lamora for him (which can be done via vehicle replicator and lets say if the kids managed to reprogram his robots) so he would be a sole occupant, or what we saw was happening in his mind and he's actually onboard the Protostar.
Either way, it would have made more sense if they showcased the kids putting him in restraints and onto a specialized room onboard the Protostar... or, that someone was left behind on Tars Lamora to care for him (like his robots).
I also have a tendency to take things literally... so this particular scene doesn't make much sense to me.
The Diviner's redemption would make for a very interesting arc.
Especially on a show purportedly aimed at children. One would think that a show like this would want to stress that everyone deserves a chance to redeem themselves, to make up for past mistakes.
Especially on a show purportedly aimed at children. One would think that a show like this would want to stress that everyone deserves a chance to redeem themselves, to make up for past mistakes.
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Not just that, but the Federation itself has no capital punishment... they aim to rehabilitate criminals. And we know from real life that there are countries which also do just that with high success rate no less (WITHOUT putting offenders into depraving environments - but rather they are given actual homes to live in [on the security grounds], educate and better themselves - it just goes to show that when you change the environment, the behavior of people changes too).
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