Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x10 - "A Moral Star, Part 2"

[Deks]

You totally nailed it.

This is exactly how it’s described by co-creator Kevin Hageman in a new CinemaBlend interview.

I got the sense of it too after I made my first reply on this episode asking what will happen with the Dauntless and its crew if they get in touch with the Protostar?
It then dawned on me they might just end up being chased by Janeway thinking they are indeed just thieves... whereas the kids/crew will effectively be keeping the Protostar away to protect Starfleet.

They really need to get that Vau'ka'Nat software off the ship.

 

[Harpsichord]

Now that you pointed it out, and upon reexamining the episode, I can hear 'mere arrival' now. The way John Noble said his lines, sounded like he partly swallowed some words.

I heard 'Mirror Rival' too! Had to rewind and turn on captions because that seemed like too much to throw into one episode

Wouldn't Starfleet have observational teams studying Solum (maybe not on the planets' surface this time) to determine if they should initiate First Contact or not?

I don't believe the Diviner ever explicitly said that Starfleet were the ones who initiated first contact.

After a whole season of saying this crew is the spirit of Starfleet, leaving their brain damaged enemy in slave mines to suffer is probably as anti-Starfleet as you get. It's not like they left him off at a hospital or something.

I have to assume that his suit sustains him somehow otherwise, yeah, what the &^% was that?

So surely someone must have asked this before but... a starship programmed with Janeway's experiences has no Bob Picardo EMH? Did Chakotay delete him while he was in command?

The Protostar actually has the Andy Dick model and safety protocols shut it down as soon as children were detected on the ship.

 

[Yistaan]

This crew did absolutely no research on the Protostar's computer about what happens when you leave defeated villains alone on some hellish planet.

Star Trek Prodigy: The Wrath of the Diviner

Diviner: First things first, Chakotay. ...Kill the kids.

Chakotay: Sir, that it is difficult. I ...try to obey, but...

Diviner: Kill them.

Chakotay: I...

Diviner: Kill them Chakotay, now!

(Chakotay vaporizes himself)

Dal: Diviner, you bloodsucker. You're gonna have to do your own dirty work now. Do you hear me? Do you?

Diviner: Dal! Dal, you are still alive... my old friend.

Dal: Still, 'old friend'. You've managed to kill just about everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target! You were going to kill me, Diviner. You're going to have to come down here! You're going to have to come down here!

Diviner: I shall leave you as you left me. Marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet, ...buried alive. Buried alive!

Dal: DIVIIIIIIINNEEERRRR!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Precious Tritium]

Was really hoping when the cat finally spoke they'd sound exactly like Hulk Hogan.

This has been a really triumphant first half of a season though. Perfectly set up throughout all nine episodes prior and paid off. Can't seem to get enough of this beautiful little show.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

‪‪I can’t place Dr. Noum’s style of uniform exactly, but it feels familiar.

Does it resemble a uniform or variant we’ve seen before?

 

[Deks]

I heard 'Mirror Rival' too! Had to rewind and turn on captions because that seemed like too much to throw into one episode

THANK YOU!
Glad I'm not the only one.
It definitely sounded like 'mirror rival' to me the first three times no less (hence why I thought the Mirror universe had something to do with it).
But no... it was just 'mere arrival'... now I feel a bit disappointed.

I don't believe the Diviner ever explicitly said that Starfleet were the ones who initiated first contact.

I don't think he did either, but that just makes his reasoning behind hating Starfleet even dumber. Makes him look like a moron really.
But that's part of his problem. He's still so convinced in Vau'ka'Nat 'superiority' that he doesn't see the civil war happened because of his species, not Starfleet really. If it wasn't FC with Starfleet, it would have been FC with someone else... which would eventually lead to the same problem.

Besides, I'm actually wondering... what was Starfleet supposed to do to stop a civil war? Anything they tried doing would have likely escalated the problems even more for the worse... hence the Prime Directive.

I have to assume that his suit sustains him somehow otherwise, yeah, what the &^% was that?

Freaking heck, I completely missed the fact he didn't have his suit on.

The Protostar actually has the Andy Dick model and safety protocols shut it down as soon as children were detected on the ship.

Lol.
But no.
Maybe the Protostar simply never had an EMH type program installed. It wouldn't have been Robert Picardo one at that either.
Zimmerman was at Mark 4 by VOY's season 6 (but that had more to do with his disappoinment with EMH Mark 1 which was resolved when the Doctor was sent to treat him).
If anything, its possible that in 2383, there's a Mark 8 on SF ships (if Zimmerman continued his manic cycle of upgrading EMH's relentlessly - possibly not).
Maybe Lewis stopped at Mark 4 or Mark 5 and started making more subtler adjustments (sort of like Mark 5.1, or 5.2) that would include more EMH 1 Doctor features... with slower upgrades to future full Marks.

 

[Vale]

And bang, just like that, after nine episodes Prodigy suddenly feels like Star Trek at last. What a cracking finale – several things satisfyingly concluded, but enough loose threads and hooks left to be tantalising. And that final scene, of course! Can't wait to see what happens next.

 

[Vale]

Maybe the Protostar simply never had an EMH type program installed. It wouldn't have been Robert Picardo one at that either.
Zimmerman was at Mark 4 by VOY's season 6 (but that had more to do with his disappoinment with EMH Mark 1 which was resolved when the Doctor was sent to treat him).
If anything, its possible that in 2383, there's a Mark 8 on SF ships (if Zimmerman continued his manic cycle of upgrading EMH's relentlessly - possibly not).
Maybe Lewis stopped at Mark 4 or Mark 5 and started making more subtler adjustments (sort of like Mark 5.1, or 5.2) that would include more EMH 1 Doctor features... with slower upgrades to future full Marks.

I'd love to see Alexander Siddig cameo as EMH-mk-whatever, as a cut down version of the LMH project in DS9: "Dr Bashir I Presume".

 

[Deks]

And bang, just like that, after nine episodes Prodigy suddenly feels like Star Trek at last. What a cracking finale – several things satisfyingly concluded, but enough loose threads and hooks left to be tantalising. And that final scene, of course! Can't wait to see what happens next.

I'm getting the notion that THIS is the VOY sequel of sorts we were long overdue to get (what with the inclusion of all the VOY characters).
I honestly feel somewhat bad for Ds9 fans because they're getting barely or any mention in these installments of Trek (though I suppose, one could say the Defiant was seen in FC movie along with Worf's continued appearances) - although Prodigy DID include Odo in that Kobayashi Maru episode.

 

[Yistaan]

EMH: Please state the nature of the medical emergency.
Drednok: The individual in my care is suffering from Medusan exposure syndrome.
EMH: I am now connecting with the Federation databanks. Searching... A cure for this disorder has recently been found. Downloading proper procedures now.
Drednok:

 

[Harpsichord]

‪‪I can’t place Dr. Noum’s style of uniform exactly, but it feels familiar.

Does it resemble a uniform or variant we’ve seen before?

I thought it looked familiar too but I think it's just because the bottom half is giving off Han-Solo-vest vibes?

But that's part of his problem. He's still so convinced in Vau'ka'Nat 'superiority' that he doesn't see the civil war happened because of his species, not Starfleet really. If it wasn't FC with Starfleet, it would have been FC with someone else... which would eventually lead to the same problem.

I'm not sure that FC with another power would have had the same effect, hearing about the Romulan Empire isn't going to give your underclass any ideas the same way that hearing about the Federation would. It's a case where the idea of the Federation is too dangerous to be allowed into their empire but FC is inevitable. Their only option (you know, other than changing their ways) is to make sure that idea never exists in the first place.

Freaking heck, I completely missed the fact he didn't have his suit on.

Wait I did too, I just assumed he had it. What are these kids doing??

 

[Deks]

I thought it looked familiar too but I think it's just because the bottom half is giving off Han-Solo-vest vibes?

From what I can tell, that uniform seems of a different style. With the 'vest' extending down like a coat. It looks like a variation on the red/command uniform made for the science/medical division.

I'm not sure that FC with another power would have had the same effect, hearing about the Romulan Empire isn't going to give your underclass any ideas the same way that hearing about the Federation would. It's a case where the idea of the Federation is too dangerous to be allowed into their empire but FC is inevitable. Their only option (you know, other than changing their ways) is to make sure that idea never exists in the first place.

From what I can tell, the Diviner hadn't implied the Vau'ka'Nat were an 'empire' with one segment of the population being treated badly vs the other. He made it quite clear that Vau'ka'nat were (at least prior to FC) confident in their overall superiority and thinking they are alone in the universe (which implies 'unification' of their species).

I think the civil war ensued exactly because of what he said: as a result of FC because their society had to reconcile with the fact they weren't alone in the universe... this resulted in some of the society shedding the 'superiority' nonsense and wanting to join the greater galactic community... while others did not (the Diviner seems to belong to this group - so he used SF/UFP as a scape goat).

Wait I did too, I just assumed he had it. What are these kids doing??

I honestly have no idea. Leaving the Diviner on Tars Lamora immediately didn't make sense to me... but also, HOW DID WE SIMULTANEOUSLY IGNORE HIS LACK OF ARMOR?

I wonder if it had been done intentioanlly for the purpose of introducing a bit of 'discontinuity' within the same episode as a laugh?
Although, that DOES seem like a MASSIVE oversight for a show that's been so METICULOUS about detailing and connecting this show to VOY in a way it did.

 

[Harpsichord]

I think the civil war ensued exactly because of what he said: as a result of FC because their society had to reconcile with the fact they weren't alone in the universe... this resulted in some of the society shedding the 'superiority' nonsense and wanting to join the greater galactic community... while others did not (the Diviner clearly belonged to this group it seems - so he used SF/UFP as a scape goat).

It's most likely he was telling the truth. It's just, like you said, this line of reasoning is really dumb so I'm inclined to believe he's lying and speculate about what else could be going on. I guess we'll see at some point.

HOW DID WE SIMULTANEOUSLY IGNORE HIS LACK OF ARMOR?

I didn't even think it was a possibility! My brain just said "no, they've established that he needs that to live so he's obviously still in his armor"

 

[UssGlenn]

The break Holo-Janeway made in his tubing also seems mysteriously fixed by the time they are on the Holodeck. I suppose Gwen could have stopped to have it fixed so her father wouldn't die before he told her the whose story.

 

[eschaton]

Maybe they just decided to stick The Diviner into a holosuite which looked like the asteroid?

 

[Yistaan]

Maybe they just decided to stick The Diviner into a holosuite which looked like the asteroid?

Pretty sure they actually left him on Ceti Alpha 5. It wouldn't be Star Trek without another attempt to redo Khan.

 

[Judith Sisko]

Maybe they just decided to stick The Diviner into a holosuite which looked like the asteroid?

This is what I am thinking. He's on the ship with them.

 

[jackoverfull]

Splendid conclusion to this first part. Didn’t enjoy it as much as the last one but still a great episode, giving it a 8.

I didn’t particularly pay attention to this in the previous weeks, but I’m surprised by the number of writers this episode seem to have! Or it’s the whole of the writers in the series in the intro credits?

Seemed a bit odd to leave the diviner alone on the asteroid, also I was a bit tired, by the end, by how many times Gwynn gave him opportunity to betray her and was promptly betrayed. As for his plan, it seems to me that he’s blaming the federation for something that would have happened anyway, it’s not only an interference issue, but we’ll see…if his plan can actually work Starfleet security doesn’t look that well, in any case.

Great to see admiral janeway, but what an idly ship! Great reference in the name. Though.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

I didn’t particularly pay attention to this in the previous weeks, but I’m surprised by the number of writers this episode seem to have! Or it’s the whole of the writers in the series in the intro credits?

This week’s and last weeks 2-parter were credited with every member of the writing team, because it was an especially collaborative episode and they felt they all deserved to share the credit.

It’s something that they’re afforded by being an animated series, who aren’t constrained by the WGA’s rules of a 4 writer maximum for a script credit (this doesn’t include, story by credits, just the final teleplay or screenplay).

 

[thribs]

So Janeway can touch things. She’s a hard light hologram.