Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x09 - "A Moral Star, Part 1"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Prodigy' started by Commander Richard, Jan 26, 2022.

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  1. Deks

    Deks Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Eh, Tarses was mostly human. His grandfather being Romulan would have resulted in one of his parents being half-Romulan (a hybrid like Torres was), and then after marrying another Human and Tarsas being born, he'd only be 1 third Romulan?

    Given that Romulans and Vulcans are the same species, its possible that whatever genetic differences UFP sensors were calibrated for to distinguish Romulans from Vulcans would be 'dilluted' (pardon the expression) with having mostly human ancestry... probably sufficiently to the point where Tarses DNA could be mistaken for part Vulcan... in which case, he would only have to say his grandfather was Vulcan and he'd be mostly taken at his word because he was a Federation citizen.

    Obviously, this little secret was exposed in that ridiculous trial, but fortunately, Picard stood up for him and said he shouldn't be judged on the basis of having a Romulan for a grandfather because he knew people viewed the Romulans as the bad guys.
     
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  2. Deks

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    Didn't need a reminder to know what UFP and SF were about... but it was great to see that regardless.
    I always relish those kinds of moments when familiar characters uphold UFP principles and ideals as much as possible.

    Also, say what you will about VOY, but I think Janeway DID behave in line with Federation principles and ideals as much as she could during her time in the DQ (barring a few distinct situations that were out of whack - and she was still more than willing to be judged fairly and openly by Starfleet upon the ship's return based on her actions - unlike Sisko of course, though I suppose in his case its explainable the whole thing needed to be kept secret, but that doesn't change the fact he's assisted in murdering a Romulan official and broke the Prime Directive).

    This crossed my mind too. He seems WAY too familiar with the ship and the way he talks about it... but that could be due to a number of reasons.

    Also, Starfleet and UFP do NOT strike me as the sort who steal other species property (apart from the Omega Directive, but that doesn't apply here because the Proto core is NOT the Omega Molecule - I mean, I suspected it may have been when we saw the core for the first time, but it was described as a Protostar - unless someone renamed it?).

    Another possibility is that he is Chakotay and got severely twisted along the way (like Krall was in the Kelvin Timeline)... but that seems a bit out there.

    Or he could have been somehow involved in creation of the ship... or the Proto-Core itself... but honestly, I just think he's being overtly posessive about the ship and what he thinks it can do for his species, so he took it upon himself to view the Protostar as 'his' (especially given his familiarity and disdain for the Federation - which suggests he or members of his species worked with UFP in a way of sorts, but then due to the Prime Directive and/or ethical/moral concerns, the UFP withdrew - and while a single man is hardly representative of a whole species, we were told that we will see another Va'uk'nat in disguise who has less than friendly intentions towards the crew).

    Perhaps the Federation discovered someting about the Va'uk'Nat while they were collaborating which forced them to withdraw on principle alone. Similar to how Janeway was very wary of the Vau'Dwaar in 'Dragons teeth' after learning about their past - and its possible the UFP still wanted to help despite this revalation with some 'amendments' to the original agreement (to protect themselves - much like Janeway tried with the Vaud'Waar), but then the Va'uk'Nat (like the Vaud'Waar) may have resorted to more hostile methods and we end up in a situation where UFP withdraws entirely (but not before the Diviner and Drednok attack the Protostar crew and seize control of it).

    Fascinating to thing about, but its mere speculation.

    In just over 2 days. :D
     
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  3. jackoverfull

    jackoverfull Commodore Commodore

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    and at this point the question is: what exactly can the protostar do for his species? A species with allegedly only two members left, also…
     
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  4. Deks

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    Given that the timeline was described as 'wobbly' by the writers... and given how long the Protostar has been searched for (which predates its launch date by over 17 years), I would hypothesize that the Proto Core is capable of inducing a Temporal effect/anomaly of some kind... or might be (with adjustments) capable of manipulating time for an object (such as a planet - similar to what that Krenim timeship and Annorax did).

    So, its possible the Diviner wants to use the Proto-core for a temporal incursion effect of some kind that would avert a disaster that befel his species and reduced them to only him and Gwyn (and possible scant amount of survivors spread through the galaxy).
     
  5. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    The Federation might have taken the protostar without knowing it "belonged" to somebody else. As the protostar is being treated as a miniature star (which it shouldn't be), maybe the Vau N'Akat are from a micro-world that orbited the star, and the Diviner is enlarged to human scale.
     
  6. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    To be fair, the fact the Judge knew implies Starfleet ignored it.
     
  7. Photoman15

    Photoman15 Commodore Commodore

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    Uhhhh....that'd be 1/4 Romulan
     
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    We need a Tarses show: The Mendelorean.
     
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  9. Deks

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    Thank you for the correction.
    But my overall point stands. Being only 1/4 Romulan may have allowed his Romulan DNA to be misread by any medical scans or checkups as Vulcan (which wouldn't be inaccurate since they ARE the same species - so whatever Romulan DNA markers he may have inherited from his grandfather may have been disguised thanks to his mostly human ancestry).
    Plus its possible the UFP simply didn't have its sensors or medical tests modified to the point where they would be sensitive enough to detect 1/4 Romulans (at least not during TNG).
     
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  10. Deks

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    As an interstellar body, the Protostar is not a miniature star... its a stage before becoming a main sequence star... however, its been described as a 'baby star' by Jankom Pog (I guess that's as good explanation for kids as any other).

    At any rate, the UFP taking the Protostar without knowing it had a micro world around it... it would be a novelty... but that doesn't strike me as something that's particularly viable either as nothign in the Diviner's way of speech thus far indicates the UFP was what caused the Va'uk'Nat demise or that they stole from them (when Gwyn told him what SF uniform stands for, he responded with 'lies and hypocrisy' - to me this indicates that the UFP was about to help, but then backed away due to unknown reasons - though I suppose we will find out eventually).

    He has an obsession with the ship as much as he does with the Proto-Core it seems (because it may be that whatever function he wants to use the Proto-core for can't be done without the ship itself - seeing how UFP builds its technology to be specifically operated on their ships).
     
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  11. ToddCam

    ToddCam Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I took wobbly as a reference to Doctor Who. The Doctor referred to complex temporal sequences as 'wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey'.
     
  12. Vale

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    "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a non-linear non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff."
     
  13. dupersuper

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    Why?

    Given the number of colonies they seem to have, I'd think that count would be WAAAAAYY higher. I'd say the 150 - 200 count is neither species nor planets but governments. Independent colonies may be counted separately, but most colonies would be counted with whichever founding or other primary government with which they aligned. The Andorians and Aenar are counted as one, as are the Kelpians and Ba'ku as are (assuming they all stayed together under their council) all 5 (6 if they find surviving Avians) Xindi species.

    The admiral (her father was the judge) knew either because she dug deep in her investigation or because her telepathic advisor scanned him and told her.
     
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  14. ToddCam

    ToddCam Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    By worlds I meant polities that generally adhere to a populated planet with its own native sapient species, with associated dependencies included in that "world" until such time as they gain full admission as Federation members (or secede from the sovereign world and leave the UFP entirely; like how Greenland left the EU when it got home rule). There are way too many individual planets to each be considered a member. The Sol system itself has at least four populated bodies with permanent population (Earth, Mars, Luna, Titan).
     
  15. Kzinti

    Kzinti Commander Red Shirt

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    no they really don't if anything trek need less human not more
     
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  16. JoaquinSlowly

    JoaquinSlowly Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    ‪‪When rewatching the two part finale, at about 7:07 when they’re all celebrating the preparations for their plan, you can see Zero facing the fabricated Zero shell, mostly obscured by Rok while Zero and Rok are high-fiving.
     
  17. Danja

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    Beautiful! Magnifique! :adore:

    This Is true, epic Trek in every sense of the word! :)
     
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