Star Trek: Picard teaser trailer

[SolarisOne]

"Retcon"? The movie actually shows it being the Romulan home star, doing a continuous run from Romulus through a rubble field to the star which then blows up, sweeps away the rubble field and shatters Romulus. It always was that, and never Hobus (because as everybody knows, the Romulan home star is called Eisn instead ).

I agree, and we all know the policy about tie-in material (like Countdown), but people are going to keep calling it the "Hobus" supernova until it's contradicted by on-screen evidence. Thus "retcon".

 

[Timo]

As in REinforced True CONtinuity, yeah.

Connecting Picard to those events takes some doing in any case. If a force of nature of his caliber was pitted against the supernova, why did the supernova win? Why didn't the blob of Red Matter ride on the Enterprise? Why doesn't Nero think Picard killed his wife? The 2009 movie did a great job in making a cosmic calamity personal. Now this has to be undone somehow, and then perhaps redone with another person.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Dukhat]

What if... The Romulans decided to purge the Reunification movement and that was Picard's heroic rescue mission? The unthinkable is Hobus and that leaves us with the Reunification movement being the only surviving Romulans?

I got the impression from the trailer that Picard's armada was trying to rescue as many Romulans as possible while Spock was trying to save the star from going supernova at the same time (i.e. they were two separate missions, Picard trying to save lives in case Spock's plan didn't work.)

 

[Donker]

B&B era Romulans do suck, they kind of miss completely the point of what Romulans are, pre-Surak Vulcans, and we're told repeatedly that Vulcans pre-Surak were both far more emotional, creative and violent than humans ever were, so why in B&B era are they all grey, have the same "rational" Vulcan haircut and personality wise extremely dull and borderline spectrum? Why is Romulus, the garden planet, one of the most beautiful planets in the galaxy we are told, when we see it in TNG, some Developing world level slum that is nothing but brown? Such wasted potential especially since in TOS the Romulans are quite colourful and Charvanek is extremely seductive.
My hope is Romulans finally get a final redesign taking elements from the Rihannsu books and giving them more an colourful Imperial China/Korea aesthetic since Romulans took the role of China and North Korea in TOS, also lose the Vulcan style haircut and lose the forehead ridges.

Anyway on Picard, while I'm looking forward to it, I'm cautious because again, Avika and Alex and it's already basically confirmed from that teaser we're getting another overdone tedious "Oh an event in the past we're going to flash back to in snippets and reference non-stop but not show you until you the event until the last 3 episodes and it's super fucking underwhelming and anti-climatic" like every single serialised show these days and I will make a bet the "event" also went bad because of some tedious S31/Tal'Shiar garbage and the last 3 episodes will be Picard basically fist fighting some moustache twirling S31/Tal'Shiar villain.
Hey maybe Avika and Alex will do something original and we get an actual good show, not holding my breath though.

 

[Timo]

I'm sort of seeing what the TNG/DS9/VOY Romulans would be all about. Vulcanoids who embrace their emotions go extinct pretty quickly. Vulcanoids who suppress their emotions survive - be it by adopting a religion of logical stoicism, or by getting self-oppressed into utter blandness by a ruthless totalitarian system.

The Romulan exodus no doubt involved stopovers where the pointy-ears let go and had fun on paradise planets. Each of those settlements went up in flames in no time flat. So some of the folks decided to seek a Second Vulcan, a dry hellhole where there would be nothing to fight over, while others conquered a paradise planet but immediately applied the lessons learned and put walls and fences around the woods and wetlands, started eating gruel, and adopted a national haircut standard.

What of this would survive the loss of central government? Romulans supposedly thrive in discord, and indeed were born out of that. Or then they die out in discord like all vulcanoids, only there are some survivors who learn to cope, and Picard might meet both sorts now.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Tuskin38]

Why is Romulus, the garden planet, one of the most beautiful planets in the galaxy we are told, when we see it in TNG, some Developing world level slum that is nothing but brown?

You can't judge the entire planet off a couple of appearances.

It was pretty green colourful in Nemesis.

Connecting Picard to those events takes some doing in any case. If a force of nature of his caliber was pitted against the supernova, why did the supernova win? Why didn't the blob of Red Matter ride on the Enterprise? Why doesn't Nero think Picard killed his wife? The 2009 movie did a great job in making a cosmic calamity personal. Now this has to be undone somehow, and then perhaps redone with another person.

Not really.

 

[ITDUDE]

Just had a thought...
Kelvin movies are pretty much done at this point... Picard has one more mission on him.. He will somehow prevent the supernova that destroyed Romulus and this will prevent Spock and Nero from going to the past and creating the Kelvin timeline...

 

[Yistaan]

Just had a thought...
Kelvin movies are pretty much done at this point... Picard has one more mission on him.. He will somehow prevent the supernova that destroyed Romulus and this will prevent Spock and Nero from going to the past and creating the Kelvin timeline...

This reminds me of the Voyager episode 'Timeless'.

The Federation will send La Forge commanding the USS Challenger after Picard when he tries to go back in time to prevent the Hobus supernova. Picard will have a fit and shout at La Forge "You and people like you are why I left Starfleet!"

After La Forge shoots Picard down, he will express his disappointment that Picard has ironically become yet another of the insane Admirals he spent so much of his life fighting.

 

[fireproof78]

Now this has to be undone somehow, and then perhaps redone with another person.

Or we are just learning more details, since Nero was hyperfocused on Spock.

This reminds me of the Voyager episode 'Timeless'.

The Federation will send La Forge commanding the USS Challenger after Picard when he tries to go back in time to prevent the Hobus supernova. Picard will have a fit and shout at La Forge "You and people like you are why I left Starfleet!"

After La Forge shoots Picard down, he will express his disappointment that Picard has ironically become yet another of the insane Admirals he spent so much of his life fighting.

Picard as the villain? Could be interesting.

 

[ITDUDE]

Picard as the villain? Could be interesting.

Picard did nothing wrong

 

[Cake]

"Retcon"? The movie actually shows it being the Romulan home star, doing a continuous run from Romulus through a rubble field to the star which then blows up, sweeps away the rubble field and shatters Romulus. It always was that, and never Hobus (because as everybody knows, the Romulan home star is called Eisn instead ).

True, in the movie it was the Romulan star. I guess a lot of people try to pretend the Countdown comics were actually reality as it makes everyone look a bit less stupid. The Romulans looked stupid as they haven't evacuated their planet completely before. They must have noticed that their sun was about to go boom. And old Spock and the whole Federation looked stupid as they seemingly thought that they could rescue Romulus with putting red matter in their sun. Like Romulus wouldn't have been doomed without a sun, too.

The Countdown comics make it all a bit more palatable with putting the supernova far away from Romulus. You just have to forget whatever you might have once heard about supernovas and their potential for destruction. Because as far as in I know in reality they are only really dangerous to planets close to them and not far away.

 

[fireproof78]

You just have to forget whatever you might have once heard about supernovas and their potential for destruction. Because as far as in I know in reality there are only really dangerous to planets close to them and not far away.

So, Star Trek physics. Got it.

 

[Tuskin38]

True, in the movie it was the Romulan star. I guess a lot of people try to pretend the Countdown comics were actually reality as it makes everyone look a bit less stupid. The Romulans looked stupid as they haven't evacuated their planet completely before. They must have noticed that their sun was about to go boom. And old Spock and the whole Federation looked stupid as they seemingly thought that they could rescue Romulus with putting red matter in their sun. Like Romulus wouldn't have been doomed without a sun, too.

The Countdown comics make it all a bit more palatable with putting the supernova far away from Romulus. You just have to forget whatever you might have once heard about supernovas and their potential for destruction. Because as far as in I know in reality they are only really dangerous to planets close to them and not far away.

It was probably part of the movie's outline, as other projects outside of Countdown (including those by CBS, not Paramount) also have it as another star.

The script as of 2007 said that it was a star in the Beta Quadrant. It doesn't give a name, nor does it say it was Romulus' star.
https://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Trek.html
I don't know how legit that is.

SPOCK PRIME (V.O.)​

A star in Beta Quadrant will go supernova
-- and like a cancer left untreated... it
will grow... and destroy everything.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

SPOCK PRIME (V.O.)
A star in Beta Quadrant will go supernova
-- and like a cancer left untreated... it
will grow... and destroy everything..

Yeah, the pesky thing about explosions is that they're nastiest at the beginning. They don't tend to get worse over time.

 

[Yistaan]

The supernova never made sense. Spock outright said in the film it threatened the galaxy, and no supernova does that in real life.

SPOCK PRIME: One hundred twenty-nine years from now, a star will explode, and threaten to destroy the galaxy.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I just kind of dismissed Spock's comment about the supernova as his speaking in layman's terms or just for brevity for Kirk's sake. It could have otherwise really been a [INSERT TECHNOBABBLE HERE] wave triggered by a solar [INSERT MORE TECHNOBABBLE HERE] eruption.

 

[Sarachan]

The supernova never made sense. Spock outright said in the film it threatened the galaxy, and no supernova does that in real life.

SPOCK PRIME: One hundred twenty-nine years from now, a star will explode, and threaten to destroy the galaxy.

When I first saw that movie, I took it to mean that the star exploding was a star destroying weapon being tested, and the reason it threatened to destroy the galaxy was because of the arms race and wars it would kick off. And the Romulan star was the next target, and Spock was on his way with something they had already devised to counteract it. But he arrived too late.

 

[Yistaan]

When I first saw that movie, I took it to mean that the star exploding was a star destroying weapon being tested, and the reason it threatened to destroy the galaxy was because of the arms race and wars it would kick off. And the Romulan star was the next target, and Spock was on his way with something they had already devised to counteract it. But he arrived too late.

No offense, but that strikes me as a lot of fan theories not supported by the film itself, or even the Countdown comic.

 

[Galaxy]

SPOCK PRIME: One hundred twenty-nine years from now, a star will explode, and threaten to destroy the galaxy.

That was just JJ Abrams being JJ Abrams. He did something similar in The Force Awakens, where people look up to see the weapon firing and destroy a planet from different points in the Galaxy. I am starting to wonder if he literally does not comprehend the scale of a Galaxy.

 

[fireproof78]

That was just JJ Abrams being JJ Abrams. He did something similar in The Force Awakens, where people look up to see the weapon firing and destroy a planet from different points in the Galaxy. I am starting to wonder if he literally does not comprehend the scale of a Galaxy.

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Also, how many people can truly comprehend the size of the galaxy? I mean, even Praxis had an explosion that reached the Neutral Zone with enough power to rattle the Excelsior really good. What's the rationale for that?