Star Trek: Picard teaser trailer

[Rasmussen]

As long as we can blame someone, right?

I don't see the issue. They made some (in my opinion) bad choices in their works with the franchise. In short, I blame them for bad creative choices, and not other people involved, nor the weather nor the material conditions. Of course this is my opinion. I mean they may be (and probably are) good people in all but this specific circumstance and I wouldnt judge them as people. But as writer and director or showrunners, they were responsible for choices that lead things happening within a franchise I happen to like, things that seem like cheap hacks for emotional involvement to me. I dont blame you for liking those things or having another opinion on those things.

We are still discussing matters of taste.

 

[Dukhat]

Well, Abrams’s films make tons of money, and people keep going to see them regardless of the minutiae about them that people pick apart, so he’s doing something right.

 

[Rasmussen]

Indeed. Money is a standard of taste.

 

[Krandor]

The real reason is because it is a movie about space wizards not a documentary.

Exactly. Star Wars is basically a fantasy novel in space. I remember when Lucas did Willow it was a very very similar story and characters just in an actual fantasy setting.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't see the issue. They made some (in my opinion) bad choices in their works with the franchise. In short, I blame them for bad creative choices, and not other people involved, nor the weather nor the material conditions. Of course this is my opinion. I mean they may be (and probably are) good people in all but this specific circumstance and I wouldnt judge them as people. But as writer and director or showrunners, they were responsible for choices that lead things happening within a franchise I happen to like, things that seem like cheap hacks for emotional involvement to me. I dont blame you for liking those things or having another opinion on those things.

We are still discussing matters of taste.

I appreciate the distinction.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

It was. What in the world are you talking about? Starkiller targeted the New Republic capital.

It was what? Remote or in the Hosinian system? If it was remote, then it wouldn't be adjacent to the capital. They didn't just destroy one planet, they destroyed several. And if Maz's planet wasn't in that system, you wouldn't have been able to see the other planets destroyed (even if it was, you really shouldn't have anyway, the point of this discussion).

 

[fireproof78]

It was what? Remote or in the Hosinian system? If it was remote, then it wouldn't be adjacent to the capital. They didn't just destroy one planet, they destroyed several. And if Maz's planet wasn't in that system, you wouldn't have been able to see the other planets destroyed (even if it was, you really shouldn't have anyway, the point of this discussion).

Takodana (Maz's planet) was remote (ish). Hosnian Prime was the system that was destroyed.

No, they shouldn't have been able to see it. But they did, because space fantasy vs. hard SF. I'm sure it is a point of contention, but it feels like a rather minor point to consider to be so controversial, I guess. But, I'm sure this is a mileage will vary. It just strikes me as odd. "This movie about space wizards is completely unrealistic in its galactic distances!"

 

[Donker]

That was just JJ Abrams being JJ Abrams. He did something similar in The Force Awakens, where people look up to see the weapon firing and destroy a planet from different points in the Galaxy. I am starting to wonder if he literally does not comprehend the scale of a Galaxy.

And somehow 1 planet, that isn't even Corusaunt being destroyed, destroys the entire Republic that spans thousands upon thousands of worlds. Meanwhile the first order losing their main base, fleet, most of it's manpower, somehow takes over in the span of a few hours.

 

[Timo]

The Empire was the Republic with a couple of new appointments and a couple of firings (with or w/o blasters) at the top echelons. The New Order could be the Republic with the same minor adjustments.

As far as the movies go, Coruscant either no longer is a thing, or then remains the capital of a now-irrelevant Empire, or perhaps has become the power base and de facto capital of Snoke's setup despite briefly flirting with Republican ideas. There's a new government in a new capital, except that capital is now gone and so is the government. And people again choose sides, and choosing the winner usually pays off, at least in the short and medium term. Most of Snoke's fleet probably used to have Republic pennant paint at the start of Awakens but had slightly wet First Order paint at the start of Last Jedi - the hapless dreadnought, say.

On the other hand, as far as the movies go, Takodana was in the Hosnian system, squat in the middle, and this is why the chief henchman of Snoke was there two and a half seconds after the big kaboom, mopping up. Nothing stated or shown suggests any other location for Maz' castle. Heck, perhaps the New Republic chose its capital system because this was where the Rebel riffraff had been meeting for decades anyway?

PIC can play fast and loose with all its "established" concepts, too. Or more so, as Trek canon vs. noncanon is much more strictly lineated, and nothing said in the most official of the novels need matter.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[The Old Mixer]

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[Caeruleus]

Teaser trailer is GREAT! But they should use Troi's or Riker's voice.

 

[Dukhat]

Teaser trailer is GREAT! But they should use Troi's or Riker's voice.

Abso-frigging-lutely not.

 

[arch101]

Teaser trailer is GREAT! But they should use Troi's or Riker's voice.

Gates McFadden should have voiced the trailer

 

[The Old Mixer]

Ian McKellen!

 

[fireproof78]

Teaser trailer is GREAT! But they should use Troi's or Riker's voice.

No, thanks.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Theory: The lines in the trailer are as accurate to the series as the early Into Darkness Ben Cumberbatch voiceovers were.

I.E. They give us a vague idea what the show is about but the details are all wrong.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Theory: The lines in the trailer are as accurate to the series as the early Into Darkness Ben Cumberbatch voiceovers were.

I.E. They give us a vague idea what the show is about but the details are all wrong.

I don't recall anything blatantly misleading about the Cumberbatch voice-overs, only lines that weren't in the movie ("Darkness... is... COMING!" -- which is more a propos for GoT..).

I doubt the premise set out by the Picard voiceover is in any way wrong. It fits what we know about the plot, however vague at this stage: Picard is facing a huge personal crisis and has left Starfleet.

 

[captainkirk]

I don't recall anything blatantly misleading about the Cumberbatch voice-overs, only lines that weren't in the movie ("Darkness... is... COMING!" -- which is more a propos for GoT..).

Pretty much none of them were from the movie. They were all just recorded for the trailers.

 

[F. King Daniel]

And they were all about Khan returning for vengeance and threatening terrorist acts... when in the movie he's just a pawn of Admiral Marcus and only goes on revenge benders when he thinks his people are dead. Totally different motivations.

 

[captainkirk]

And they were all about Khan returning for vengeance and threatening terrorist acts... when in the movie he's just a pawn of Admiral Marcus and only goes on revenge benders when he thinks his people are dead. Totally different motivations.

But the former obviously makes the movie easier to sell. It also hides the fact that Marcus is the real main villain.