Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Tuskin38, Sep 28, 2019.

  1. cooleddie74

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    Though to be fair the Shaun Geoffrey Christopher manned mission to Saturn mentioned in TOS Season 1 happened anywhere from 2009 to 2030 depending on the reference material or fan conjecture. So we had fusion-driven sublight engine technology be a major breakthrough for Earth space explorers in or around 2018 which made fission-powered, slow sleeper ships like the S.S. Botany Bay obsolete for travel within our own solar system, the Europa mission in 2024, Shaun Geoffrey Christopher visiting Saturn by 2030 and then work on establishing a permanent human presence on Mars happening by 2032.

    And then in 2037 the Charybdis becomes the third manned attempt to explore beyond our own solar system, so it's pretty clear that once sublight became a reality in or around 2018 that we were already on the outskirts of our star system by the 2030s. Earth's space agencies were busy.
     
  2. Sehlat Vie

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    Thanks for not assuming I'm a troll; I'm new here, and I don't want to come off that way.
    Just legitimate criticisms. :)

    And for context, I liked PIC S1 (save for a few nits here and there). In fact, I kind of wish they'd ended the series with his getting the android body and living for an indeterminate life span afterward. Would've been a perfect sendoff for the character.

    I also very much agree that the subplots involving mental illness were very poorly handled, and were borderline offensive to me at times. They made Yvette look more like Blanche Dubois from "Streetcar Named Desire" than Picard's mother that he mysteriously mis-remembered' as an old woman. That was such clumsy ret-conning that they literally had to shoehorn in a line about Picard remembering her as an 'old woman' that she never lived to be. The whole season felt clumsy that way.
     
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    Good points all around, but those were written when the 21st century wasn't quite as easy to visualize as it is today; usually Star Trek moves the goal posts, as it did by changing the Eugenics Wars into a 21st century ordeal ("Strange New Worlds" S1.1), otherwise Janeway and Chakotay should've arrived to a devastated, post Eugenics Wars Earth of 1996 in that VGR two-parter, and yet Venice Beach still looked okay to me. :lol:
     
  4. fireproof78

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    21st century was a TNG invention, and, as you note, Voyager has a completely contemporary LA to visit.
     
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    The creators later postulated that Los Angeles and the U.S. in Trek's 1996 weren't directly affected by the Eugenics Wars so there'd be no ruined city devastated by a major conflict to visit. Works for me.
     
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    It works if we ignore Spock's dialog about whole populations being bombed out of existence and records of the period being fragmentary. Unless the records being fragmentary are themselves inaccurate...conspiracy!
     
  7. Sehlat Vie

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    Or that "Strange New Worlds" clearly shows the Eugenics Wars & World War 3 happening later on in this century, not the 20th...
     
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    Records are fragmentary, Captain.
     
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    Before a number came up, I thought it's Terra Nova, the first colony (some 325 years).
    But if it's 250, it could be the launch of the NX-01.
     
  10. Tuskin38

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    They never said North America was attacked in TOS.

    Ares IV, not One. The episode said it was one of the early mars missions, not the first.
     
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  11. Danja

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    She was a human being going up against a GOD.

    Q homed in on her weakness.

    Agnes had not yet become the Borg Queen.

    Starfleet did not trust her (Seven kept yelling at Picard to KILL her!)


    No one ever said Trek was a documentary.
     
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  12. Sehlat Vie

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    But they did say that the Eugenics Wars and World War 3 have now happened in the 21st century in "Strange New Worlds" (S1.1).

    And thanks for the correction on Ares; it's only been about 24 years since I've seen it. ;)
     
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  13. Lord Garth

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    It's SNW. It's also the same show that says we're going to have Civil War II. I don't like the idea of CWII happening in Star Trek (or happening at all, for that matter) because the only battlefield the Culture Wars will take place in are online. Armchair Generals everywhere. Star Trek doesn't need to give the Flame Warriors legitimacy by saying they'd actually fight in large numbers in a real war.
     
  14. Sehlat Vie

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    I would certainly hope not, but events like January 6th could've easily gone another way if the mob were better organized or better armed.
    We're only one administration away from a reactionary leader who'll spark/incite another Civil War.

    I don't like the idea either (at all), but I can't deny the possibility of it ever occurring again.
    Yes, some of these would-be minutemen are laughable, but they could also make effective terrorists.
    CW2 (if it happens) may not have armies of opposing troops assembled on battlefields like at Gettysburg, but it could be rife with random terrorist incidents, or mobs overrunning government institutions.
     
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  15. Danja

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    Something like Northern Ireland during The Troubles. :(
     
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  16. Danja

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    Star Trek: Picard -- Season 3

    The last outing of the Next Generation crew (at least, until the next one :rolleyes: ).
     
  17. Lord Garth

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    Picard is the type of show where they could easily un-cancel it. Every season is like its own mini-series. That makes it completely unlike the other Star Trek series.
     
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  18. Danja

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    Sir Patrick (Picard) isn't getting any younger.
     
  19. FederationHistorian

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    And if there’s going to be anymore PIC, just do movies. Since the length of 10 PIC episodes are 2-3 Trek movies.
     
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  20. Tuskin38

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    Patrick said he's up to do more stuff after doing Season 3.
    He must have really enjoyed coming back.
     
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