Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Tuskin38, Sep 28, 2019.

  1. Lord Garth

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    That was in the back of my mind, but I figured I'd sit on it.
     
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  2. fireproof78

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    Whenever I see stuff like this I just think of a comic. Little girl comes up and ask dad "What are you watching?"
    "The pre-game show."
    "What's that?"
    "It's where people talk about the players and what will happen in the game."
    "And then what?"
    "Then I watch the game."
    "Why?"
     
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  3. StewMc

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    All it takes is to use the info that RMB leaked a while ago, tie it together with the stuff Terry Matalas has hinted at on Twitter, put a few reasonable assumptions in the middle and there you go, you’ve “seen” the episodes.
     
  4. cal888

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    Well showrunner Terry Matalas did confirm people have seen season 3... Just watch his interview with Robert Meyer Burnett. The Popcast guys were very anti-season 2, but now have "Terry Trek" merch and want him to make more Star Trek.

    Is YouTube subject to grifting and audience capture? Sure. But I think it's perfectly legitimate to have issues with the Kurtzman Trek output, and if somehow a good live action season that respects continuity / tone / doesn't break the universe comes out, I'd be happy, not wanting to burn everything down. There's far more nuance to YouTube than people realize, but at the same time yeah the top 2-3 figures you might be thinking of probably are bad faith actors.

    Let's consider the audience that stopped watching NuTrek in general or Picard in particular. If 80% of what made them unhappy was fixed, that would then be a massive reservoir of viewers that could then boost the numbers. Paramount+ apparently really wants to see social media engagement as well... so it does make sense to engage with already active influencers.

    BTW, I agree, hash tags really are obnoxious :)
     
  5. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Terry said back in August that the season should be completely finished in September. So if his prediction held true, it's been finished for a few months.
     
  6. Campe

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    None of that gives me reason to believe they’ve seen it. There’s been too many examples of “I have inside info!” which have been proven to be patently false. There’s a lot of spoilers in your post and frankly people who are getting to see this early? They’re not going to release spoilers at risk of not getting the hook up on other projects. Sorry, I am very jaded on these kinds of “leaks.”

    Could this all be true? Sure. But I stand by my commentary that I’m taking with huge grains of salt.

    I don’t have the time and energy to keep up with every iota of BTS information so thank you for that nugget. I was unaware and stand corrected.
     
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  7. Tuskin38

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    Season 1 and 2 didn't sound like Patrick either.
     
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  8. fireproof78

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    I don't need a video on a free platform to tell me that. I can come to my own conclusion.
    I'd rather just watch the damn thing and make up my own damn mind. Long gone are my days of enjoying YT talking points. It's just not that interesting.
     
  9. Tuskin38

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    RMB did say somethings that were later confirmed by the 2 trailers we've gotten.

    So every season of Star Trek ever

    Yeah this is odd. I don't remember what Terry said about a time skip between 2 and 3. But Season 2 was 2401 which would be better for 250.
     
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  10. StewMc

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    He said about a year, I think. I’m wondering if the intention was for season 2 to actually be set in 2400, I’m sure Rios actually says that year specifically when he is locked up. 2401 comes from the Chateau Picard wine labels only doesn’t it?

    If season 2 was 2400, season 3 could easily be 2401, and then “Frontier Day” could well be the anniversary of the NX-01 launch.
     
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  11. Sehlat Vie

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    As a newbie, I just want to say that PIC season 2 was an absolute mess.

    Picard's family and his mother's struggle with mental illness were treated like fodder for a bad Gothic horror novel.

    Really getting tired of Brent Spiner playing the entire Soong family line; it's a gag that's long exhausted now.

    Borg Queen/Agnes, in the opening episode of S2, could've simply taken that damn cloak off of her head, and explained everything without firing anyone needing to fire a shot or for her to hack the entire damn fleet.

    The time travel plot had almost no ticking clock.
    Once they landed in 2024, the entire middle act seemed to grind to a halt; they vomited multiple subplots and tried to speak to so many topics (ICE, depression, mental illness, suicide, etc) that there was absolutely no narrative thrust whatsoever.

    Renee Picard is a terrible representation of an astronaut.
    I've had the privilege of meeting several, and there is no such thing as a 'reluctant astronaut.' That's a myth. They're a deeply competitive bunch, and they wouldn't risk being grounded for depression. If Renee had those kinds of self-doubts, she wouldn't be in the running. I appreciate that the show was attempting to speak to the seriousness of depression, but they chose the wrong character with which to do it.

    Q's entire raison d'etre seemed to be that he just needed a good hug before he died; and if he was 'helping' them all along, then why was he actively sabotaging Renee Picard's flight? Never resolved.

    A manned flight to Europa is taking place only 2 years from now...??

    I love Sir Patrick Stewart; and Picard is the finest captain the ST franchise has ever had; however, PIC S2 is quite possibly the single worst season of Star Trek ever.

    I don't know what the mood around here is regarding PIC S2, and perhaps I should've posted this in the unpopular views thread (?), but like I said...newbie. :biggrin:
     
  12. cal888

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    Fair enough. The main point of that video was trying to get people that have sworn off anything Star Trek with Alex Kurtzman's name attached to at least give S3E01 a chance, and that a viewer could tell within the first 30 minutes that things were different this time (hence the point by point of what might be seen in that episode if someone gave it said chance). Meanwhile on other YouTube channels you have elements arguing that no matter how good Picard season 3 is, supporting it is supporting Kurtzman and it should be actively boycotted.

    As a looooong time lurker and very occasional poster, welcome. Picard season 2 is deeply flawed, but I guess I'm more inclined than most to see it in a positives outweigh the negatives light.
     
  13. fireproof78

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    So, typical YT. Hard pass. Mostly because those who have "sworn off" Kurtzman will still watch it, or "hate watch" it to use a turn of phrase, and still be convinced it is terrible.

    At the end of the day, I am strongly skeptical that anyone's mind will be changed by a YT video. If so, well, good for them I guess. As I said, watching it is the best way to know. First hand experience, not taking someone's word for it.
     
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  14. Timofnine

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    I don’t know if I am allowed to kind of agree with this… I love Star Trek too much to say bad things about it though, so I will just quote you and hope that I do not get in trouble for it because I do not think that you are a troll as you have some valid points. :)

    I really enjoyed Picard season 2 but I agree with a lot of what you have to say about it. :shrug:

    I found the mental illness parts very hard to watch because I do not think that they were dealt with properly, especially the Picard’s mum bits which seemed a bit misplaced. I like to binge repeat watch older Star Trek episodes, in particular TNG and VOY, but some episodes of Picard season 2 I can never watch again. I do not know if this is good or bad thing from a production perspective as it could have been the intent of the people making the show to put this kind of ‘shock factor’ in to Picard’s life. I kind of wish I was a Star Wars fan at times because even though I have never seen any of it, I think that their fans are a lot more happier in general with what is being produced in regards to it synchronising and matching up a lot more to what has gone before.

    Maybe I should go to the dark side and give Star Wars a go? :shrug:

    Does anybody know if there is a StarWarsBBS?
     
  15. Campe

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    Yeah, some Star Wars fans are just as pedantic as some Star Trek fans when it comes to continuity.
     
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  16. Tuskin38

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    We have a subforum dedicated to Star Wars here.
    TheForce.net forums I also browse, they're a big old forum.

    What's the issue here? It's not our 2024, it's the Star Trek universe's 2024.

    Star Trek's 20th and 21st tech is more advanced then ours. They had working cryonics as early as 1994 according to TNG, and sleeper ships as early as 1996 according to TOS.

    Why wouldn't you be allowed?
     
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  17. fireproof78

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    By whom?

    *insert "What an odd thing to say" meme here*
    Hahaha....oh, boy...I don't usually post "LOL" because I don't actually "laugh out loud" but this one got me good. I was just recently over on a SW forum and getting shade thrown my way for my opinions on Star Wars and liking some particular films.

    Yeah, Star Wars fans are just as nitpicky, demanding, particular, and easily ruffled by discontinuities as Trek fans, and sometimes even more so.
    If you want to try out Star Wars I would recommend watching the "Original Trilogy" first, episodes 4, 5, 6, then decide what you like and what to go on to next. They are fun space opera movies.
     
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    Star Wars fans are worse, because the books counted as canon at some points.
     
  19. Timofnine

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    I shall perhaps enter this space one day, but I will be sure to read the room before I do.
    Sometimes when people express their dissatisfaction with Star Trek, others that love the show label them as trolls. Someone who loves the Picard show for example could have read the message I quoted and claimed that the person posting it was a troll because it was not exactly a shining endorsement of the show, especially coming from a newbie which might make it look like they only came here to start trouble. But I honestly think that this was the posters opinion and that they are not a troll, because I kind of agree with what they said. Sometimes, if someone does not like or agree with something that a majority of others do and they express their differing or counter opinion online it can make other people angry, this can be interpreted as ‘trolling’. But just because someone has differing opinions, or ideas that that might make you angry, it does not mean that the person with the alternate opinion is a troll, they might actually believe what they say which makes them something different.
     
  20. Sehlat Vie

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    Yes, but even within Star Trek's continuity, the first manned Mars missions didn't happen until the 2030s ("Ares One"). Europa is a lot further away than Mars, and the radiation shielding technology needed for a manned flight there is not even on the radar. Star Trek usually bends its continuity a bit to 'fit' our real world so that it remains relevant and aspirational. This just seemed like a wildly weird departure from all of that.