Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Dukhat]

At this point I'm kind of done with these characters. The first few episodes had promise, but now my interest is waning. I like Rios, but that's about it. I'm ready to see the TNG cast have their big farewell in season 3, and then have the show end.

 

[Finn]

I bet people...and perhaps you will still complain. Someone will say they aren't consistent...like Troi not having chocolate in a scene.

 

[gvn2fly]

Whatever the next show is, I think they should hire some of the writers who worked on Agents of SHIELD, because say what you will about that show (I love it more with every rewatch), the writers there were really, really good at layering successional, overlapping plotlines through a season, instead of trying to make a single plot arc stretch too far. They were also good at developing a versatile group dynamic among the characters and natural, organic-feeling character progression. The Star Trek: Picard writers could learn a lot from them.

I bailed on the last 2 seasons of Shield, but season 4 was outstanding. Latter half of season 1 through the end of season 3 were strong also. But I think all these examples of good serialized shows demonstrates serialization isn't the problem with the new Star Trek shows. It ultimately comes down to the writing. Some people are excited for SNW simply because it promises to be more episodic, but that doesn't mean the episodes are going to be good.

 

[gvn2fly]

Trek frequently had two main/major characters pair up. It's not a new thing.

For this many episodes like this with the same pairs not or hardly interacting with anyone else? When? The cast said this pair up was a result of the pandemic.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Picard's mind is artificial.

Its an orderly pattern of electrical impulses stored in a specialised box.

He is storing new memories like a computer, and he is recovering old memories lost to him entirely when he was a fleshie.

 

[fireproof78]

It ultimately comes down to the writing. Some people are excited for SNW simply because it promises to be more episodic, but that doesn't mean the episodes are going to be good.

I'm excited for the characters. Writing is nice but characters will always trump it for me. Serialization or episodic if I am engaged with the characters I'm in.

 

[Jayson1]

If their is anything wrong with the cast is that they are terrific characters but not sure the serve a Picard centric show well. They maybe should have surrounded him with old people who are his peers and not just a crew to go along on his adventure with him. Every regular just about on a Picard show should have one foot into a nursing home already. Then cut down on the action adventure stuff and just do a character study of a old man living out his final days.

 

[fireproof78]

If their is anything wrong with the cast is that they are terrific characters but not sure the serve a Picard centric show well. They maybe should have surrounded him with old people who are his peers and not just a crew to go along on his adventure with him. Every regular just about on a Picard show should have one foot into a nursing home already. Then cut down on the action adventure stuff and just do a character study of a old man living out his final days.

Um, no. Hell no. I hate this agist crap that somehow an older person can't hang out with younger people and have adventures in different ways. I love hanging out with children and older adults at the same time. I can recall some of the most joyous events being with a wide swath of ages.

Sorry but that sounds a little bit too much like "stay with your own kind."

 

[Alexander Corrino]

Um, no. Hell no. I hate this agist crap that somehow an older person can't hang out with younger people and have adventures in different ways. I love hanging out with children and older adults at the same time. I can recall some of the most joyous events being with a wide swath of ages.

Sorry but that sounds a little bit too much like "stay with your own kind."

Agreed 100%.

And besides, Jean-Luc’s TNG crew friends are all quite a bit younger than he is as well.

Sadly, the amount of ageist comments I keep seeing regarding Jean-Luc and what he should and shouldn’t be doing (and with who) “at his age” is quite substantial.

 

[cooleddie74]

The closest in age to Picard is Beverly and she's 19 years younger. Worf was the youngest of the main characters present for all seven seasons.

 

[Finn]

Agreed 100%.

And besides, Jean-Luc’s TNG crew friends are all quite a bit younger than he is as well.

Yeah. I suspect he doesn't really has much friends left from before he took command of the Enterprise. Not because he's pushing 100 but a good bunch of them already died or passed by the end of TNG's run.

 

[Alexander Corrino]

Yeah. I suspect he doesn't really has much friends left from before he took command of the Enterprise. Not because he's pushing 100 but a good bunch of them already died or passed by the end of TNG's run.

Yup. I’d say that’s because most of his friends are/were Starfleet officers (it’s only natural since he spent so much of his life in Starfleet). Space is dangerous, and there was the Dominion War, the Cardassian War, etc etc. He has lost a lot of friends in his life, some even during TNG - Walker Keel, for example. (There’s also his non-Starfleet friend Louis of course although we haven’t heard again from him at all unless I missed something.) He does still seem to keep his Stargazer CMO around tho so not all of them have been lost. But a lot of them, yes. Another reason why he needs a hug

 

[Jayson1]

I was thinking in terms of him hanging out and dealing with a serious issue and maybe you get Ian McKellan and Maggie Smith and others. You rarely get shows with a mostly older cast. Not sure how that is ageist.

 

[Tuskin38]

Just noticed this looking at a set picture Dave posted of the gala.
https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1514670998917844995

'Department of the Space Force', not 'United States Space Force - Department of the Air Force'.

Which, speculation, either the Space Force in the Trek timeline was formed as its own separate division, not part of the Air Force, or it split completely from the Air Force before/during 2024.

It's also a completely different emblem, looking more classic Air Force/NASA like.

 

[Captrek]

Not sure why they didn’t use the actual Space Force seal.

Is that a deliberate nod to Star Trek, or is it just a coincidence?

 

[Tuskin38]

or is it just a coincidence?

The Air Force was using the delta before Star Trek did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Force_Delta

Not sure why they didn’t use the actual Space Force seal.

Maybe they couldn't get permission.

 

[Captrek]

The Air Force was using the delta before Star Trek did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Force_Delta


Maybe they couldn't get permission.

Did they have to get NASA’s permission to use their logo in The Royale?

 

[eschaton]

I posted this in the episode thread and reposting here:

So, I was thinking how much COVID affected this season. It really seems like for the most part the characters stay in 2 people pods. Agnes/Borg Queen, Picard/Talinn, Picard/young guinan, Raffi/Seven. I also heard Jeri say in an interview there was an effort to keep the characters apart and keep them in pods with other actors. I wonder if they had to rework the scripts to keep the characters paired up a certain way. But I've watched lots of TV shows (and movies) that were filmed during the pandemic and they weren't like that.

Chabon's said early on he wrote four scripts this season, and thus far only one script had a credit to him, suggesting the season was heavily reworked.

 

[gweeps]

Hoping something like this happens next episode.

NotDucane tells Guinan and Picard their interrogation is over. But before he can have them transferred to a holding cell somewhere "downtown", another officer comes in, informing them their lawyer is here. G&P glance at each other, baffled.

Q saunters in, briefcase swinging, wearing a sharp suit and demanding to see the evidence against "his clients". When NotDucane obliges, Q says, "Thanks, Ducane. Oh, I'm sorry. I must have you confused with somebody infinitely more interesting."

NotDucane grumbles as he leaves. Q shakes his head, looking at his frenemies.

"Now, shall we get down to business? I did get your "call", but things are... delayed around here. Time, the future, Ubers... You can put your claws away, are you going by Guinan again? Jean-Luc, how was the nap?"

 

[Saul]

Was wondering. Q changed the timeline already but when Picard goes back in time he gets there before Q has changed anything. So the Q in the past doesn't know his future self has shown Picard the future? Or is it the same Q who took Picard to the alternate future?