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As do I.
I think that was the best episode as well. Of course it was all setup more than story but the parts were more interesting than than the whole I guess. I think maybe also I would just prefer to watch a Captain Rios on the Stargazer show than what we got this season.
Similar thoughts, only with Seven and the Rangers. XD
ENT S3 and the second half of DS9 S7 show that it can be done.
I would like that show as well or at least a Seven show in general.
Would have loved this after Voyager ended. To see how she and Chakotay ended, how she lost her mechanical speaking, how she got on with the Federation, probably how she was recruited by Section 31 or attempted to be, etc. So many plotlines to consider. I wonder if anybody's written novels about the time after they got back to the Alpha Quadrant? Most of that time is still wide open and wouldn't conflict with canon.
Given how negatively Seven/Chakotay relationship was received I don't see novels touching that. I think one of the Section 31 novels had Seven in some fashion.
They can still do that stuff in Seven show set in Picard time. They can use flashbacks to sort of cover that missing ground showing how she went from Voyager Seven to Picard Seven.
How I would write it is that all the characters went their separate ways once Voyager got home. She didn't have interest in going with Chakotay to help rebuild the colonies including his own that were destroyed in the Dominion War. She gets a job she doesn't like and has no friends and then she meets the bartender she killed last season.
Had their romance and then got connected to the Rangers and then they had their split but by then she was part of the cause. Meet new friends with the Rangers. Some who would be regulars on her show. Over all of this you would see her personality shift and become more human. In away sort of how they have done a slight shift in Eleven's personality on Stranger Things as she has gone on to start living a more normal human life.
How I would write it is that all the characters went their separate ways once Voyager got home. She didn't have interest in going with Chakotay to help rebuild the colonies including his own that were destroyed in the Dominion War. She gets a job she doesn't like and has no friends and then she meets the bartender she killed last season.
Had their romance and then got connected to the Rangers and then they had their split but by then she was part of the cause. Meet new friends with the Rangers. Some who would be regulars on her show. Over all of this you would see her personality shift and become more human. In away sort of how they have done a slight shift in Eleven's personality on Stranger Things as she has gone on to start living a more normal human life.
I posted this in the episode thread and reposting here:
So, I was thinking how much COVID affected this season. It really seems like for the most part the characters stay in 2 people pods. Agnes/Borg Queen, Picard/Talinn, Picard/young guinan, Raffi/Seven. I also heard Jeri say in an interview there was an effort to keep the characters apart and keep them in pods with other actors. I wonder if they had to rework the scripts to keep the characters paired up a certain way. But I've watched lots of TV shows (and movies) that were filmed during the pandemic and they weren't like that.
So, I was thinking how much COVID affected this season. It really seems like for the most part the characters stay in 2 people pods. Agnes/Borg Queen, Picard/Talinn, Picard/young guinan, Raffi/Seven. I also heard Jeri say in an interview there was an effort to keep the characters apart and keep them in pods with other actors. I wonder if they had to rework the scripts to keep the characters paired up a certain way. But I've watched lots of TV shows (and movies) that were filmed during the pandemic and they weren't like that.
Those shows probably didn’t have an 81 year old “high risk group when catching Covid” lead actor tho. I mean if Sir Patrick had caught that thing while they shot the show all hell might have broken loose (and they did have an outbreak on set after the XMas holidays).
However, the “pair” thing is also part of the actual plot that is supposed to show how love and connecting to another person can help someone moving on (and the various pairs around Jean-Luc are also supposed to represent parts of his own issues). So I’d say there’s more than one thing that made the plot the way it turned out.
How about both. Let's have both! It could even be the same show - having multiple bases of operations would make it different from other Treks!
I've enjoyed this show. I have. But I also think that it has never been entirely sure what it wants to be, because it was set up as a show about Jean Luc Picard, with a very tight focus on delving deeper into his psyche, but it was cast as a regular Star Trek ensemble, and has never managed to resolve the tension between those two aspects. None of the other characters have been allowed to develop properly, because their storylines always revolve around whatever is going on with Picard - and, as so often happens with shows revolving around a single central hero, the supporting characters are often weakened to make him look better. But all those supporting characters have been set up to be really interesting in their own right, and often feel as if they are straining against the constraints laid on them, straining to escape from Picard's shadow. In all honesty, I think the most interesting stories this show has to tell have all happened off-screen between seasons.
I would say that Patrick Stewart's age and vulnerability and the covid restrictions put in place to protect him played a massive role in the structure of this season.
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I would like Seven and Rios both also having their own show. I forget where I posted it but their next 5 shows should be.
1 Rios on Stargazer
2 Seven with Rangers
3 TNG in Kelvinverse
4Tilly Starfleet Academy
5 Star Trek Western set on Nimbus 3. Nimbus 3 could so easily be the Tatooine of the Star Trek universe if they would just use the planet and the cool idea that the Federation/Klingons and Romulans formed it together in order to bring peace only for it to fail.
Whatever the next show is, I think they should hire some of the writers who worked on Agents of SHIELD, because say what you will about that show (I love it more with every rewatch), the writers there were really, really good at layering successional, overlapping plotlines through a season, instead of trying to make a single plot arc stretch too far. They were also good at developing a versatile group dynamic among the characters and natural, organic-feeling character progression. The Star Trek: Picard writers could learn a lot from them.
Very true. One comment you make will get you accused of being a basher, the next will get you accused of being a CBSTrek apologist.
It's too late for me. Save yourselves!
The main writers I believe were Jed Whedon and Joss Bell and I think they would be a great hire. I would also love if they got Carlton Cuse who is one of the most underrated writers and showrunners around. He did Lost and Bates Motel to name just 2. Vince Gilligan would though be the ultimate hire. To get the guy who did Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul not to mention his time on the X-Files. The guy even knows a little Trek with the famous pie eating contest scene.
Trek frequently had two main/major characters pair up. It's not a new thing.
I can see why people want a spin-off that focuses on the characters PIC introduced (or, in Seven's case, brought back). I'm not sure what other options the show had within its limited run settings tho - I mean while I personally would have LOVED seeing just Jean-Luc in all scenes of PIC, carrying the whole show all by himself I don't think the Trek fandom would have enjoyed something like that. 
There HAD to be some other characters around.
Maybe if they had made PIC less serialized and a little more episodic (like Strange New Worlds), this would have left some more room for the other characters to be put into focus without mostly using them to advance Jean-Luc's plot. However, I've always had the impression that part of what sold Sir Patrick to do the show was the "heavily serialized" idea. Remember, his motto is always "I don't want to do stuff I've done before on TNG".
All of this kinda created/creates a bit of a self-made dilemma for the show.
There HAD to be some other characters around. Maybe if they had made PIC less serialized and a little more episodic (like Strange New Worlds), this would have left some more room for the other characters to be put into focus without mostly using them to advance Jean-Luc's plot. However, I've always had the impression that part of what sold Sir Patrick to do the show was the "heavily serialized" idea. Remember, his motto is always "I don't want to do stuff I've done before on TNG".
All of this kinda created/creates a bit of a self-made dilemma for the show.
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