Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Tuskin38, Sep 28, 2019.

  1. StewMc

    StewMc Commodore Commodore

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    Is it also the first confirmation of season 2 dropping in February as well? It's not a huge surprise, but until now its just been "2022" hasn't it?
     
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  2. SantaEddie74

    SantaEddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I think they sort of told us February back in September when the Star Trek Day teaser dropped but I could be wrong.
     
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  3. Reanok

    Reanok Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Yeah I remember hearing Patrick saying something about Whoopi filming scenes for season 2 . That fans would like what she and John Delancie stories were for season 2 I'm So excited about what Michelle told told us about season 2.:biggrin:
     
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  4. JoaquinSlowly

    JoaquinSlowly Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    It might be! Since Sir Patrick invited her to join them for Season 2 previously on The View, where she agreed, and since he’s a producer on the series, and she’s got a relationship with CBS/Paramount+, having starred in last year’s adaptation of Stephen King’s The Stand, I figured it was a sure thing.

    You’re correct, it was specified as returning in February during this year’s Star Trek Day presentation.
     
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  5. Tuskin38

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  6. 1001001

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    I just finished re-watching Picard all the way through.

    The first time, I hated the ending so much it really soured me on the experience as a whole. Especially since there was so much good stuff at the beginning.

    I love what they did with Picard, making him a Starfleet outcast. People swearing at him and disrespecting him to his face. I imagine this kind of stuff is what made Stewart willing to revisit the character. A completely different future than we might have imagined from TNG.

    I liked his Romulan companions. I loved Raffi. And I didn't really care who played Bruce Maddox (:lol:). I thought Seven and Hugh were used nicely.

    BUT...once we get to the android paradise planet the show lost me. Androids can do Vulcan mind melds now? Hmm... the Robot Spaghetti Monster is real? Another fucking Soong? Seriously? Data dies again? Captain Pizza Chef to the rescue (does Starfleet have no one else?). And then the final insult..."Hey Picard you're robot now. No special powers or extended life or anything because we knew you'd hate that."

    My re-watch didn't change my opinion much. The first 7 episodes were great. I loved this new reality for Picard. The rest...maybe it wasn't so god-awful as I remember, but it wasn't really good either (my opinion, of course). A group of synths on a higher plane across the galaxy waiting for your signal? What?

    :shrug:

    Anyway, that's my rant for today. I am looking forward to next season, mostly thanks to Q.
     
  7. SantaEddie74

    SantaEddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    PIC has the strongest start of any Trek in 20 years save Trek 2009. It just ends so badly that any chance of Season 1 as a whole winning the Gold medal is lost.
     
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  8. Happy Xmas (War Is Over)

    Happy Xmas (War Is Over) If You Want It Premium Member

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    It did kind of fall off the balance beam, bounce on the mat and crash into the judges' table. ;)
     
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  9. SantaEddie74

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    It was ready for at least a 9.8 landing and smacked its dick directly onto the balance beam.
     
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  10. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    The Brophy shall smite ye for this.
     
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  11. StarMan

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    Pretty much sums it up for me.

    Just some random musings and dot connecting-- Just watched the end of All Good Things. In the courtroom, Q states humanity's future lies not in mapping stars/nebula, but in examining the unknown possibilities of existence (or words to that effect).

    Picard says "what is it you're trying to tell me?", to which Q leans over to tell him something before pulling away. What tantalizing tidbit might Q have for Picard? I think being uploaded to a synth/golem certainly qualifies as an uncharted possibility of existence, and Q being Q probably knew what was in store for Picard.

    Now that Picard has finally crossed the barrier to a new existence, Q returns.

    In any event, I hope they explore the ramifications of Picard's transformation.
     
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  12. fireproof78

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    That would be nice to explore this brand new change, and demonstrate that it has an impact upon Picard. I'm skeptical they will but hopeful still.
     
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  13. MrPicard

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    I remember a somewhat recent interview with one of the PIC showrunners and they basically said between the lines that they’re not going to explore Jean-Luc’s new “existence” (they probably won’t have the time to do so anyway, this isn’t TNG where they had entire episodes to ponder philosophical questions like this).

    Knowing Q he’ll probably just shrug like “so you found a way to cheat death, huh? Typical” and then move on ;)
     
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  14. ThreeEdgedSword

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    Agree with everything but the robot stuff. (I don't care he's an android and certainly don't see it as an insult.)
     
  15. fireproof78

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    I don't see how being an android is an insult? But, if so, what other options would be more satisfactory?
     
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    Giving Data proper closure 20 years after Nemesis was really great though
     
  17. fireproof78

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    His death wasn't improper.
     
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  18. JoaquinSlowly

    JoaquinSlowly Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    As messy as the ending was (I’m an unashamed fan of the series, but ‪‪I can admit the last few episodes felt manic and rushed in a way that makes the conclusion feel like, charitably, a total clusterfuck), ‪‪I went away happy with the season, in large part because growing up Data was one of my favorite fictional characters period, and my favorite character in Trek, and the show gave Data a real ending, summarily dismissed B-4 (as it should be), and gave us Soji. ‪‪I always loved TNG S03E16 The Offspring, and Soji and Dahj immediately pushed both my The Measure of a Man and Lal nostalgia buttons.

    I loved seeing Hugh, Seven of Nine and Picard connect over the shared trauma of being xBs, and the characterization of Seven of Nine was wonderfully realized by Jeri Ryan.

    And beyond that, I forgive the ending in part because of the world they’ve created. ‪‪I adore every one of the new characters in Picard’s life with the exception of Dr. Jurati, who ‪‪I like fine, but hasn’t spoken to me as much as the rest of the cast. Soji, Raffi, Rios, Elnor, Laris and Zhaban, and their portrayers, have made the Star Trek universe I already loved even greater to me.
     
  19. Commander Troi

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    For me, it was more giving *Picard* proper closure over Data's death. I got the feeling he had never quite dealt with it.

    Otherwise, I'm pretty much with @JoaquinSlowly.
     
  20. JoaquinSlowly

    JoaquinSlowly Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Very well put! ‪Picard getting that closure was a great look into his character and his and Data’s relationship, and more than a proper send off for Data, to me Picard Season 1 was just a more thoroughly mined/explored send off.

    And, personally, ‪‪I felt removing B-4 from the equation helped things. If anything felt improper about Data’s death as presented it was the notion he would live on, sort of, as B-4. No matter how unadvanced B-4 was, I don’t believe Data would want to be overwritten onto a sibling of his, or that Geordi, or any of his friends, would be okay with/do this knowing Data’s feelings about artificial life forms, their rights, and the familial connection Data felt with the other Soong-type Androids, Lore and B-4.

    The ending in Nemesis wasn’t improper, that’s true. But it did leave me unsatisfied, and Picard remedied that part for me.
     
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