Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Tuskin38, Sep 28, 2019.

  1. StarMan

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    Pretty much sums it up for me.

    Just some random musings and dot connecting-- Just watched the end of All Good Things. In the courtroom, Q states humanity's future lies not in mapping stars/nebula, but in examining the unknown possibilities of existence (or words to that effect).

    Picard says "what is it you're trying to tell me?", to which Q leans over to tell him something before pulling away. What tantalizing tidbit might Q have for Picard? I think being uploaded to a synth/golem certainly qualifies as an uncharted possibility of existence, and Q being Q probably knew what was in store for Picard.

    Now that Picard has finally crossed the barrier to a new existence, Q returns.

    In any event, I hope they explore the ramifications of Picard's transformation.
     
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  2. fireproof78

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    That would be nice to explore this brand new change, and demonstrate that it has an impact upon Picard. I'm skeptical they will but hopeful still.
     
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  3. MrPicard

    MrPicard Jean-Luc's Loving Husband Fleet Captain

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    I remember a somewhat recent interview with one of the PIC showrunners and they basically said between the lines that they’re not going to explore Jean-Luc’s new “existence” (they probably won’t have the time to do so anyway, this isn’t TNG where they had entire episodes to ponder philosophical questions like this).

    Knowing Q he’ll probably just shrug like “so you found a way to cheat death, huh? Typical” and then move on ;)
     
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  4. ThreeEdgedSword

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    Agree with everything but the robot stuff. (I don't care he's an android and certainly don't see it as an insult.)
     
  5. fireproof78

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    I don't see how being an android is an insult? But, if so, what other options would be more satisfactory?
     
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  6. NCC-73515

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    Giving Data proper closure 20 years after Nemesis was really great though
     
  7. fireproof78

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    His death wasn't improper.
     
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  8. JoaquinSlowly

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    As messy as the ending was (I’m an unashamed fan of the series, but ‪‪I can admit the last few episodes felt manic and rushed in a way that makes the conclusion feel like, charitably, a total clusterfuck), ‪‪I went away happy with the season, in large part because growing up Data was one of my favorite fictional characters period, and my favorite character in Trek, and the show gave Data a real ending, summarily dismissed B-4 (as it should be), and gave us Soji. ‪‪I always loved TNG S03E16 The Offspring, and Soji and Dahj immediately pushed both my The Measure of a Man and Lal nostalgia buttons.

    I loved seeing Hugh, Seven of Nine and Picard connect over the shared trauma of being xBs, and the characterization of Seven of Nine was wonderfully realized by Jeri Ryan.

    And beyond that, I forgive the ending in part because of the world they’ve created. ‪‪I adore every one of the new characters in Picard’s life with the exception of Dr. Jurati, who ‪‪I like fine, but hasn’t spoken to me as much as the rest of the cast. Soji, Raffi, Rios, Elnor, Laris and Zhaban, and their portrayers, have made the Star Trek universe I already loved even greater to me.
     
  9. Commander Troi

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    For me, it was more giving *Picard* proper closure over Data's death. I got the feeling he had never quite dealt with it.

    Otherwise, I'm pretty much with @JoaquinSlowly.
     
  10. JoaquinSlowly

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    Very well put! ‪Picard getting that closure was a great look into his character and his and Data’s relationship, and more than a proper send off for Data, to me Picard Season 1 was just a more thoroughly mined/explored send off.

    And, personally, ‪‪I felt removing B-4 from the equation helped things. If anything felt improper about Data’s death as presented it was the notion he would live on, sort of, as B-4. No matter how unadvanced B-4 was, I don’t believe Data would want to be overwritten onto a sibling of his, or that Geordi, or any of his friends, would be okay with/do this knowing Data’s feelings about artificial life forms, their rights, and the familial connection Data felt with the other Soong-type Androids, Lore and B-4.

    The ending in Nemesis wasn’t improper, that’s true. But it did leave me unsatisfied, and Picard remedied that part for me.
     
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  11. Tuskin38

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    Yeah the novel'verse went with this as well. Data did not want to 'kill' his brother. It was solved in another way.
     
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  12. Reanok

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    Gallery books has posted on Twitter the new Cover art for the Raffi novel Second Self with Raffi and Elnor and Picard . I really like the fact Elnor will be in the book.The story takes place after the events in the season one finale and before season 2 of Picard.And more Romulan spy intrigue. This sounds like a really good story by Una McCormack.
     
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  13. Kzinti

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    this is what the show should have been about the romulan refuge stuff and not the synth plot which was too similar to disco s2
     
  14. fireproof78

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    Agreed.
     
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  15. Reanok

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    I saw on Twitter Issa Briones and Evan Evagora shot a video announcing they will be part of the Star Trek Cruise next year. And said they're excited to be going the cruise and spending time with fans and looked happy to be part of the cruise.
     
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    Evan(seeing someone head back to the buffet table): "NO!!! Choose to live!!"
     
  17. Nerys Myk

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    "Choose the liver"
     
  18. Danlav05

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    Will s3 kicking off right after s2 I guess the actors will have plenty of time to do other things like this?
     
  19. Don Drutherford

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    ..yeah, You would have to "PICk hARD" to find an episode that is worth watching...
     
  20. Tuskin38

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    What does that have to do with my post?
    And most of the episodes are worth watching.