Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread
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Or Star Trek in general. We fans have way, way, more time to think on these things, to construct rationales for the nature of this world. The writers don't have that privilege. They don't get to spend time in random speculation. It's a job.
If you switched out the word "Borg", this would sound like the "literature" I'd see written in markers on the wall of a public restroom. Not a good look.
We know that the Cube was on the Rangers' beat since Hugh had one of their calling cards, which Elnor found.
I think the use of the Borg / Borg Queen is going to end up being essentially a plot device rather than principle villain. My guess it goes something like this:
Picard gets back to Earth to find everything changed. Q shows up for his first meeting with Picard since 2370 (All Good Things). Since Q's primary motivation is about testing people over their choices, he created an alternate timeline / scenario for Picard and his new friends to live in where something fundamentally different happened in the past. We have that Federation / Starfleet with that different logo and so forth. The changes go back well before Picard became captain of the Enterprise, to the point that the Hansens never went looking for the Borg (so Seven was never assimilated). Q does all this to test Picard in some kind of choice.
But the knock on effect of all of this is that because Picard wasn't captain of the Enterprise D, he never met Q, and the Borg were never encountered, and Wolf 359 and the Battle of Sector 001 never happened. And most of all, the Borg weren't badly damaged by Voyager in the Delta Quadrant in 2378. As a result in this alternate timeline, we have a Borg Collective at full strength, with humanity completely unaware of them, speeding to earth.
I think the point of them will be to be put Picard in some kind of moral/ethical/decisional dilemma. The impeding Borg invasion of this alternate world, which will kill everyone, will be pressure to force one choice, but some other aspect that Q will force upon him will force him to make another. Basically Q is going to prevent him with an impossible choice.
I don't think the point of th Borg, or Borg Queen is to have another epic space battle or have Picard square off against the Queen. Q is the antagonist (of sorts) of the season and the Borg are puppets in the scenario he devised to test Picard and humanity.
Since this is the last outing of all these characters though, it's good they finally unite Q and the Borg. Maybe we'll get some canon answers as to why he has helped humanity out with them twice (the encounter at System J-25 by the Enterprise-D and directing Voyager to the Transwarp Hub).
Let's hope. I think the Borg Queen is a good character in First Contact but personifies the Borg too much.
indeed they should have cut that terrible synth plot and the borg which were just there to give the marketing team trailer material
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Yeah, I just watched Star Trek: First Contact today. And I seem to recall lots of scenes together in Nemesis (don't make me rewatch that...). While TNG proper was mostly about Data & La Forge being buddies (with a little Picard & Data sprinkled in, a la Measure of a Man), Data seems to shift his bestie friendship more to Picard those last few years, if those two movies are any indication. Those two literally would die for each other (and one did).
Nobody would be that cruel.
The relationship between Picard and Data was older and deeper than that. TNG had lots of scenes of Picard helping Data try to understand humanity...coaching Data on performing Shakespeare and Dickens on the holodeck come to mind. Geordi was the buddy figure, but Picard was a mentor.
Just watch "Ensigns of Command " to see that, among others.
SPS and Jeri are going to be on a panel on Star Trek Day (plus Is will perform "Blue Skies" live), so maybe we'll get some scraps of news...
I was watching "Absolute Candor" the other day, and there two things I noticed, but they don't justify an entire thread on their own, so I'll post them here:
Item 1
When Picard is on Vashti at the beginning of the episode, in the flashback, he's dressed in all white. When he fences with Elnor who's still a little boy, he's able to fence and it's friendly. Then, later, he receives news about the attack on Mars.
When he returns to Vashti 14 years later, he's dressed in all black. When he fences with the former Romulan Senator, he's unable to fence and it's definitely not friendly as this former Senator wants to kill him. Elnor comes to Picard's rescue, now a grown man.
Interesting contrasts between Before & After.
Item 2
When Narissa and Narek are talking about Soji, Narek talks about how he doesn't want to push Soji too hard so she doesn't get triggered like Dahj. And Narissa's not too pleased that Narek has a seeming or may even outright romantic relationship with Soji, and he puts out that Soji is fully functional. Very nice, low-key call-back to "The Naked Now" slipped in there, where Data told Yar that he's "fully functional".
Item 1
When Picard is on Vashti at the beginning of the episode, in the flashback, he's dressed in all white. When he fences with Elnor who's still a little boy, he's able to fence and it's friendly. Then, later, he receives news about the attack on Mars.
When he returns to Vashti 14 years later, he's dressed in all black. When he fences with the former Romulan Senator, he's unable to fence and it's definitely not friendly as this former Senator wants to kill him. Elnor comes to Picard's rescue, now a grown man.
Interesting contrasts between Before & After.
Item 2
When Narissa and Narek are talking about Soji, Narek talks about how he doesn't want to push Soji too hard so she doesn't get triggered like Dahj. And Narissa's not too pleased that Narek has a seeming or may even outright romantic relationship with Soji, and he puts out that Soji is fully functional. Very nice, low-key call-back to "The Naked Now" slipped in there, where Data told Yar that he's "fully functional".
Mortality is a major element of Picard (Jean-Luc dies and then comes back as a robot):
https://www.express.co.uk/life-styl...-stewart-health-latest-coronary-heart-disease
https://www.express.co.uk/life-styl...-stewart-health-latest-coronary-heart-disease
I was concerned when I saw this because the Picard Panel that was supposed to take place yesterday on Star Trek Day was cancelled at the last minute because Patrick Stewart unexpectedly had to back out of the event. But this heart scare appears to have happened a few years ago.
Regarding the Picard Panel cancellation: originally the panel was supposed to include Stewart, Jeri Ryan, Annie Wersching (new Borg Queen) Isa Briones (and possibly Jonathan Del Arco who was there). They were clearly going to give us a trailer and the season three announcement BUT here's something interesting neither Gates McFadden or LeVar Burton were originally supposed to be part of the Roddenberry Legacy Panel (it was supposed to be Rod and several of the current producers). There's speculation that Burton's and McFadden were supposed to make surprise appearances on the Picard panel announcing their return in Season 3.....just a rumour. That's coupled with the fact McFadden is taking a hiatus from her podcast due to some upcoming filming conflicts........just rumour but interesting.
Well it seems pointless on 1st viewing but we had a really nice character die in the process, are shown how truly abominable the Zaat Vash paramilitary movement ultimately is, and it culminated in a highly advanced Borg vessel (ruined state that it's in) being in the backyard of highly advanced (but naive and frightened) androids who are shown to rebuild things virtually from scratch (even the recently deceased).
I think all of Season 1 ultimately suffered from having lots of good ideas and plot threads, but many of them didn't go as far they could (like Seven being Borg Queen for a day, why Riker and Troi decided to basically run away, etc).
So, does WWWIII happen in this timeline or not?
It looks like it's set in the 'near future', maybe mid to late 2020s.
Does whatever happen that lead to the rise of a totalitarian Federation derail WWWIII; meaning Cochrane never takes his warp flight leading to First Contact with the Vulcans?
Does the development of warp drive progress faster without the Vulcans slowing us down; leading Earth to conquer worlds that would eventually join the Federation?
Will the producers even answer any of these questions?
It looks like it's set in the 'near future', maybe mid to late 2020s.
Does whatever happen that lead to the rise of a totalitarian Federation derail WWWIII; meaning Cochrane never takes his warp flight leading to First Contact with the Vulcans?
Does the development of warp drive progress faster without the Vulcans slowing us down; leading Earth to conquer worlds that would eventually join the Federation?
Will the producers even answer any of these questions?
I wouldn't be surprised if we see or hear about Colonel Green and his faction in this altered history and the events of World War III unfolding in a different pattern that resulted in the forces of oppression coming out on top in the conflict.
Terra Prime forever.
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