Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Tuskin38, Sep 28, 2019.

  1. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I liked well enough seeing Seven and Jeri Ryan again but was she necessary? NO.
     
  2. DarKush

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    I half agree with you here. I do agree that Seven was almost pointless on PIC. However I thought the Borg storyline was more interesting than the synth storyline. To me, the Borg storyline is particular to Trek, whereas the synth storyline was very generic and had been done before, many times over.

    I would've rather seen PIC: Season 1 exploring the xBs or the Romulans instead of chucking both to the side for the synth. Even there they didn't go full nostalgia and bring us Lore (I was hoping that Data's mystery human brother would be Lore, and he still might be, but as of yet I got to take them at their word that he's human).
     
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  3. fireproof78

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    Season 1 should have been Romulans.
     
  4. eschaton

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    There were basically three different elements of Season 1, which had varying effectiveness.

    1. The "main arc" was certainly the synth stuff, since the beginning and the final episode were built on Picard's relationship with Data (never mind that Data wasn't particularly close with Picard). I generally felt this stuff was the most effective, though it could have stood to be fleshed out a bit more.
    2. The Romulan stuff built a lot of interesting lore - and a nice backstory for Picard - but ultimately went nowhere. Nowhere was this more clear than the introduction of Elnor, who gets an entire episode to establish his fractured relationship with Jean Luc...and then has absolutely nothing of importance to do for the entire remainder of the show.
    3. The Borg stuff was pretty universally awful. I mean, I liked the portrayal of the XBs as victims for like 5 minutes in The Impossible Box. But There was way too much setup on The Artifact prior to this, and afterward it was all B-movie schlock that seemed to only exist to give the characters left behind something to do.
    Overall, I feel like the series would have benefitted immensely if the POV was much more tightly focused on Picard, instead of being a quasi-ensemble. A good example of this was Picard's horror when first landing on the Artifact not quite connecting right, since we saw Soji and Narek canoodling for half the season at that point on the exact same sets. Wouldn't be good for the other cast members I suppose, but virtually everything in the series that we saw from a POV other than Picard's (and occasionally Soji's) was completely irrelevant - wheel spinning to fill out the credits each week.
     
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  5. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Commodore Commodore

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    I feel like, "Is something entertaining?" is by itself a good explanation for why something should be in a TV show.
     
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  7. Danja

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    I'm sure the Cube was on Seven's beat as a Fenris Ranger (nothing like having some muscle on hand when drones get out of line).

    They can only do so much in ten episodes. :rolleyes:
     
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  8. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    Bull-fucking-shit.
     
  9. fireproof78

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    Exactly. So why cram so much in?
     
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  10. Danja

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    It's foolish to expect Picard to match one's head canon exactly.
     
  11. fireproof78

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    Or Star Trek in general. We fans have way, way, more time to think on these things, to construct rationales for the nature of this world. The writers don't have that privilege. They don't get to spend time in random speculation. It's a job.
     
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  12. Lord Garth

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    If you switched out the word "Borg", this would sound like the "literature" I'd see written in markers on the wall of a public restroom. Not a good look.
     
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  13. Llywela

    Llywela Commander Red Shirt

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    We know that the Cube was on the Rangers' beat since Hugh had one of their calling cards, which Elnor found.
     
  14. Scionz

    Scionz Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I think the use of the Borg / Borg Queen is going to end up being essentially a plot device rather than principle villain. My guess it goes something like this:
    Picard gets back to Earth to find everything changed. Q shows up for his first meeting with Picard since 2370 (All Good Things). Since Q's primary motivation is about testing people over their choices, he created an alternate timeline / scenario for Picard and his new friends to live in where something fundamentally different happened in the past. We have that Federation / Starfleet with that different logo and so forth. The changes go back well before Picard became captain of the Enterprise, to the point that the Hansens never went looking for the Borg (so Seven was never assimilated). Q does all this to test Picard in some kind of choice.

    But the knock on effect of all of this is that because Picard wasn't captain of the Enterprise D, he never met Q, and the Borg were never encountered, and Wolf 359 and the Battle of Sector 001 never happened. And most of all, the Borg weren't badly damaged by Voyager in the Delta Quadrant in 2378. As a result in this alternate timeline, we have a Borg Collective at full strength, with humanity completely unaware of them, speeding to earth.

    I think the point of them will be to be put Picard in some kind of moral/ethical/decisional dilemma. The impeding Borg invasion of this alternate world, which will kill everyone, will be pressure to force one choice, but some other aspect that Q will force upon him will force him to make another. Basically Q is going to prevent him with an impossible choice.

    I don't think the point of th Borg, or Borg Queen is to have another epic space battle or have Picard square off against the Queen. Q is the antagonist (of sorts) of the season and the Borg are puppets in the scenario he devised to test Picard and humanity.

    Since this is the last outing of all these characters though, it's good they finally unite Q and the Borg. Maybe we'll get some canon answers as to why he has helped humanity out with them twice (the encounter at System J-25 by the Enterprise-D and directing Voyager to the Transwarp Hub).
     
  15. Charles Phipps

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    Let's hope. I think the Borg Queen is a good character in First Contact but personifies the Borg too much.
     
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  16. Kzinti

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    indeed they should have cut that terrible synth plot and the borg which were just there to give the marketing team trailer material
     
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  17. Tim Thomason

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    Yeah, I just watched Star Trek: First Contact today. And I seem to recall lots of scenes together in Nemesis (don't make me rewatch that...). While TNG proper was mostly about Data & La Forge being buddies (with a little Picard & Data sprinkled in, a la Measure of a Man), Data seems to shift his bestie friendship more to Picard those last few years, if those two movies are any indication. Those two literally would die for each other (and one did).
     
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  18. Commander Troi

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    Nobody would be that cruel. :biggrin:
     
  19. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    The relationship between Picard and Data was older and deeper than that. TNG had lots of scenes of Picard helping Data try to understand humanity...coaching Data on performing Shakespeare and Dickens on the holodeck come to mind. Geordi was the buddy figure, but Picard was a mentor.
     
  20. fireproof78

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    Just watch "Ensigns of Command " to see that, among others.
     
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